- From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 01:00:24 -0400
- To: "ri@odrl.net" <ri@odrl.net>
- CC: public-cg2wg@w3.org
On 03/11/2013 11:43 PM, ri@odrl.net wrote: > On 12 Mar 2013, at 07:41, Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org> wrote: > >> The primary output of this task force will be a recommendation for which community or business group deliverables should move to the Recommendation Track. How do we assess that? >> What are your ideas? > There has to be two ways: Push from the CG and Pull from W3C. > > The CG has to have produced final Reports (that "look and feel" like W3C specs) and have been implemented by industry users. > > The CG must have a charter, active chair(s) and members. > > (just some initial (obvious!) ideas....) > Now you've got me thinking..... I think of CGs as able to do everything WGs can do except (1) have W3C staff and telecon resources, and (2) have the Director and AC settle issues and declare industry-wide consensus. Giving them (1) is an AC resource decision. Do a bunch of AC members think this is worth spending member fund on? The do-nothing approach is we let CGs do their thing, and leave it to them to find a bunch of W3C members to ask for a WG. But we could facilitate that process -- we could provide a channel for CGs to say "Hey, We're Great! We should be a WG!" And they'd be saying that to the AC; they'd be trying to collect, I dunno, at least 10 members who say YES, create the WG and we'll participate. A good channel might be a monthly CG-highlights event. Maybe a telecon, with CG lightning talks. Maybe blog posts. Maybe posted videos. Once a month we ask all the CGs if they're ready to pitch to the AC. (It's a bit like startups pitching to investors, in a lot of ways. or researchers making a grant proposal.) We could also do it in person -- we could probably get at least a dozen AC reps to turn out to this kind of event in Boston, SanFran, or Tokyo. And probably a few CGs are local to those locations. Doing it person and live streaming (and recording) would probably generate the most interest. Maybe some good tweeting and blogging. Maybe some co-locating with other events. (I think in-person or at least video is important, because so much of the decision about participating really depends on the human relationships. Text is less compelling.) Of course, we also want to bring in *new* members. So I guess these events should be open to everyone, with a clear message that if you want a vote, you've got to join. It's hard to say that in a way that wont annoy a lot of people, but I think it can probably be done. As an aside: I don't really think anyone needs a WG. I think it's possible to write a very high quality spec, with global buy in, and wide implementation, without those things WGs provide. It's just harder. If they happen to do it, I think we should let them jump straight to Proposed Rec. This option would require solid evidence that the CG had behaved like a WG along the way in its decision-making process and had attracted all the relevant players. But if it acted like a WG all the way through an unofficial CR, then I think we should allow an AC vote to make their spec a REC. (and yes, there's something about patent policy in there, too.) But I guess that's all an aside, since I dunno if anyone will ever manage to pull it off without staff support. So one interesting thing to try would be ask the CGs how many would like a chance to pitch to the AC (and prospective AC members), and what medium they'd like to use for that pitch. We could also do a quick database query on the geography of CG members, CG chairs, AC reps, and active AC reps. We could also give some suggestions as to what makes a good pitch, including what sort of evidence would be compelling to us that the are ready for a WG. I don't know if we have much insight into that; for the transition from CG to WG, what really matters is the use cases they are addressing and if they have a plausible design for addressing those use cases. The actual professional quality stuff can from from the members that join the WG. What matters is whether they will join, and that depends on the social qualities of the people initiating the work, whether the use cases are compelling (in market terms, probably), and whether the design is truly plausible. -- Sandro > Cheers > > Renato Iannella > Chair, W3C ODRL Community Group > http://www.w3.org/community/odrl/ > > >
Received on Tuesday, 12 March 2013 05:00:33 UTC