- From: Mark Sadecki <mark@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:46:44 -0500
- To: HTML A11Y TF Public <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, public-canvas-api@w3.org
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Canvas Accessibility Sub-Group Teleconference
03 Mar 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/03-html-a11y-irc
Attendees
Present
Mark Sadecki, Rich Schwerdtfeger, Rik Cabanier, Jatiner
Mann, Jay Munro, Janina Sajka
Regrets
Chair
MarkS
Scribe
MarkS
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Walk through Hit Regions spec to discuss priority
for implementation
2. [5]Custom mouse cursors
3. [6]fill rule
4. [7]Possible Testing and/or Coordination meeting at
HTML WG F2F
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 03 March 2014
<scribe> scribe: MarkS
Walk through Hit Regions spec to discuss priority for implementation
[9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2014Ja
nMar/0159.html
[9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2014JanMar/0159.html
Do we plan on supporting nested regions with
hierarchical/ancestor relationships in L1?
RC: I had not implemented that yet. No parent ID
... this is about how multiple regions on the page behave.
RS: Is this like a Z-order?
RC: This is a parent ID. Inherit z-order and other
... This is a pseudo DOM
... the hierarchy is ignored in the fallback content, the
relationship would be established using this parent ID
... where it bubbles, it follows the DOM order.
RS: mouse event will bubble up the parent tree, like anything
else in the DOM.
... with Hit Testing, it would be nice if you have a parent
region and a child, you would think that the child would get
first chance to record the hit, otherwise bubble up to the
parent.
[10]http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage
/the-canvas-element.html#the-canvas-element
[10] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#the-canvas-element
<richardschwerdtfeger> A hit region A is an ancestor region of
a hit region B if B has a parent and its parent is either A or
another hit region for which A is an ancestor region.
RS: lets say I had a container div in the fallback content, and
then I had a B inside of it, I might have multiple children,
each of those would have a hit region. The parent would contain
all of those items. You would have to go through...
RC: First you set up the bigger region, then the smaller one.
RS: so its up to the author
RC: the fallback nesting content does not need to match.
... subtract the children's pixels from the parent.
RS: If its a list, the children have to be higher in the list
than their parent in order to get a hit.
RC: the algorithm takes care of that.
... is the parent ID necessary for L1
RS: Do we have anything on here that says, when something is
drawn it goes to the top of the region list?
19 Clear regions that cover the pixels in region's set of
pixels on this scratch bitmap.
RC: I think this is for the AAPI to understand the relationship
between regions.
RS: You have a new hit region, bind it to the element. Your
fallback content will have the structural hierarchy that will
be used in the AAPI. Since the options are in the listbox,
there is an implied relationship there.
... The roles are not enough for the AAPI.
... if you create a region that has a checkbox role, how do you
specify its state?
... what happens with an accessibility checker. i can't walk
the structure. its sitting inside a virtual dom in the canvas
RC: it would expose the hit regions DOM
RS: not sure why they are doing this.
... there are a number of issues with this that are
problematic. You can't convey state with this.
... they are trying to restrict fallback content to only HTML
controls.
... I wouldn't include any of this as it stands.
... the browser would have to create new api's to expose this
dom
RC: The WHAT WG spec has been updated to be less restrictive
regarding elements that can be used for fallback content
<cabanier> The arguments object's control member is not one of
the following:
<cabanier> null
<cabanier> an a element that represents a hyperlink
<cabanier> a button element
<cabanier> an input element whose type attribute is in one of
the Checkbox or Radio Button states
<cabanier> an input element that is a button
<cabanier> a select element with a multiple attribute or a
display size greater than 1
<cabanier> an option element that is in a list of options of a
select element with a multiple attribute or a display size
greater than 1
<cabanier> a sorting interface th element
<cabanier> an element that would not be interactive content
except for having the tabindex attribute specified
<cabanier> a non-interactive table, caption, thead, tbody,
tfoot, tr, td, or th element
RS: What if when your fallback content is a grid or a list box.
all behavior is managed in a container in fallback. it will
bubble up to the parent.
... why would it be limited to elements with tabindex
<richardschwerdtfeger> <div role="listbox" tabindex="0"
aria-activedescendant="id of child">
RS: you will have a keyboard handler on that. focus will be
fired on behalf of the child.
... that is why there should be no restrictions on what can be
used for fallback content.
RC: its to avoid authors putting in nonsense content in
fallback
JS: anyone can create nonsense.
RS: Hopefully Ian will see this use case against any sort of
restrictions.
RC: this shouldn't affect hit testing.
RS: We don't want to do parent ID, label or ARIA role for L1
Custom mouse cursors
RS: where would you need a custom mouse cursor? Rich text
editing? Hopefully people won't be doing that
... don't think its critical for L1
... would be nice, but low priority for L1
fill rule
RC: this is needed. for different kinds of binding rules
RS: OK
... we will have to convince everyone that deferred features
can be implemented without breaking anything.
... we are going to implement these. If we need to add other
features in, we have to do so without breaking any features
that are already there.
We will not be supporting unbacked region descriptions like
label or ARIA roles for L1.
We will be supporting removeHitRegion
We will be supporting the MouseEvent interface
RS: do you think Apple will be OK with this in WebKit
RC: I think so
JMann: are we doing hit testing?
yes
MS: hoping to get everything we've agreed on back into the ED
of W3C Canvas 2D
JMann: Do we add this stuff "at risk"
RS: Its based on what Dominic says.
JMann: OK, so well bring in hit regions and the at risk status
will be based on Dominic's response.
Possible Testing and/or Coordination meeting at
JMann: Would be great if we could get Dominic
RC: I cannot go. There is an SVG F2F that same week in Germany.
I will be there.
JMann: in the very least, it would be a good opportunity to
talk with Dominic
Summary of Action Items
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