- From: Tom Hume <tom.hume@futureplatforms.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:57:53 +0000
- To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Luca
I think you may have missed the section in the minutes where Jo is
actioned to sort out a conf call bridge, so that others can
participate in conversations remotely. Bryan and Eduardo (maybe
others) are planning to attend in this fashion, I think.
I plan to attend on the Thursday, and as you know I don't work for a
big company - though in the interests of transparency I should reveal
that Future Platforms Ltd will be generously funding my train fare, to
the tune of roughly £34. God willing, I'll have the moral strength to
resist this corporate influence.
Tom
On 18 Mar 2009, at 11:46, Luca Passani wrote:
>
> Hello Francois
>
> > CT discussions/resolutions were left for the F2F.
>
> I am a bit worried about this. As you know, I and others who
> represent the viewpoint of content owners have invested considerable
> amounts of our time to make sure that the views of certain operators
> (Voda, ATT) and certain transcoder vendors (novarra, opera and
> openwave) are balanced by our own view in the creation of CTG.
> Unfortunately, it appears that all of those who represent this
> counter-viewpoint (including me, of course, but I am ot part of
> BPWG, anyway) will be unable to fly to the F2F simply because they
> do not have a company which will/can sponsor their partecipation.
> In short, there is a high risk, that all the investment in
> participating in the discussion over several months is made void
> when resourceful corporations pay to get their people to physically
> seat behind the same table and take decisions which ignore the
> viewpoint which others had expressed previously.
>
> Question: How does W3C plan to make sure that this does not happen?
>
> Thank you
>
> Luca
>
> Francois Daoust ha scritto:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The minutes of today's call are available at:
>> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html
>> ... and copied as text below.
>>
>> In short:
>> - we discussed next week's F2F agenda, see:
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Meetings/London3/logistics.html
>>
>> - we discussed the possibility to add file:// support to the
>> mobileOK Checker:
>> * I am to see what needs to be changed in the library to be able to
>> keep a "clean" reference implementation extended for the file://
>> needs. I'll present my results during the F2F.
>> * We welcome Abel, Miguel and Nacho's proposal to work on a
>> possible WG note on applying mobileOK tests to files (we should
>> probably agree on the changes to make to the core library before we
>> start working on the WG note though).
>>
>> - CT discussions/resolutions were left for the F2F.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Francois.
>>
>>
>>
>> 17 Mar 2009
>>
>> [2]Agenda
>>
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Mar/0112.html
>>
>> See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>> Present
>> francois, jo, tomhume, Bryan_Sullivan, rob, yeliz, dstorey,
>> SeanP, jeffs, jsmanrique
>>
>> Regrets
>> adam, abel, miguel, manrique, Dom
>>
>> Chair
>> jo
>>
>> Scribe
>> tomhume
>>
>> Contents
>>
>> * [4]Topics
>> 1. [5]F2F London 25-27 March
>> 2. [6]mobileOK Checker - discussion of file: scheme URIs
>> 3. [7]CT Guidelines New Version
>> 4. [8]BP Addendum - Next Steps
>> 5. [9]AOB
>> * [10]Summary of Action Items
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>> F2F London 25-27 March
>>
>> <francois> [11]F2F agenda
>>
>> [11] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Meetings/London3/logistics.html
>>
>> jo: Idea is to spend Wednesday on MWABP, Thursday on CT, tidying up
>> on Friday
>> ... including tidying up remaining mobile accessibility issues,
>> checker library, etc.
>>
>> yeliz: will be there on Friday
>>
>> jo: we have mobileOK scheme
>>
>> francois: not heard from Rigo, hope to have something by the F2F
>>
>> jo: need to ping Korean folks for a written update
>>
>> <EdC> three questions about the agenda: (1) are the times indicated
>> local UK time? (2) any detailed schedule? (3) numbers for
>> teleconference?
>>
>> bryan: I shan't be there in person, conf call bridge would be good.
>>
>> <jo> ACTION: JO to talk to Adam about getting a conf bridge set up
>> for f2f [recorded in
>> [12]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-915 - Talk to Adam about getting a conf
>> bridge set up for f2f [on Jo Rabin - due 2009-03-24].
>>
>> francois: will ping Rigo
>>
>> jo: times of the agenda are in GMT
>>
>> mobileOK Checker - discussion of file: scheme URIs
>>
>> jo: Adam's issued 2 new drafts for MWABP
>>
>> francois: the mobileOK checker libraries only apply to HTTP/HTTPS
>> URI schemes. There could be a useful use case where you want to run
>> tests on a file. Most web content is local before it's published.
>>
>> <yeliz> sorry about the echo, it seems like there is something
>> wrong
>> with my connection today :(
>>
>> francois: you might want to check it before you publish it. Some of
>> the tests do not mean anything outside of HTTP(S), some do and are
>> useful - e.g. page size
>> ... Yeliz can probably talk about it, I wanted to update the
>> checker
>> library and add the possibility to check files. We've discussed a
>> little on the checker mailing lists and have some ideas for how to
>> add support for file:// URIs. It would mean that the library
>> contains code that is not defined in the standard, in particular an
>> additional test outcome ("CANNOTTELL")
>> ... but it's not mobileOK if it's not in the standard, as Jo has
>> pointed out. The Java library is supposed to be a reference
>> implementation of the standard, so I don't know if we can extend it
>> with something outside of the standard.
>> ... We wanted to get the WGs opinion. Do we need to duplicate the
>> code and work on a separate version of the library? Or can we
>> incorporate the changes and add file:// scheme support to the
>> library?
>> ... We might want to issue another document explaining how to test
>> file://
>>
>> <EdC> Can you parameterize the library with a switch for "standard
>> mobileOK" and "development mode"? Via a configuration file, for
>> instance?
>>
>> francois: I think it's useful for us to go ahead with this. Abel
>> proposed to write the WG Note. I'm not sure we need to do this.
>>
>> jo: I agree
>>
>> <Zakim> Bryan, you wanted to why not run a local server
>> ([13]http://localhost) instead - this is easy?
>>
>> [13] http://localhost)/
>>
>> bryan: a consistent scheme is a good idea. All you can do with
>> file:// is check a static page, which isn't very common in terms of
>> real live applications
>>
>> jo: the point about mobileOK is that it tests the operation of your
>> server when serving content - i.e. in the real world.
>>
>> bryan: that's my point
>>
>> yeliz: we want to combine the mobileOK library with another for
>> validating documents. It would be good to use some of the mobileOK
>> tests with local files. This could be used for other people (e.g.
>> designers) wanting to check documents before they upload them. e.g.
>> the HTML validator lets you upload and validate a doc.
>> ... you can't do all the tests, but a CANNOTTELL would accommodate
>> this.
>>
>> <yeliz> sorry about the echo:(
>>
>> <EdC> question: is the file:// scheme used in some Web applications
>> to access the local storage?
>>
>> <jo> jo: wondering if there is a way of leaving the reference
>> implementation intact and dealing with file: scheme by subclassing?
>>
>> <Bryan> fyi I have to go on IRC only for the next hour - will be
>> back asap
>>
>> francois: I had the same idea - we could do this without altering
>> the ref. implementation. There are a couple of things we can do,
>> but
>> it can't be done completely by subclassing.
>>
>> <EdC> question: is the file:// scheme used in some Web applications
>> to access the local storage? If yes, shouldn't the scheme be dealt
>> with in the test harness?
>>
>> francois: I would like to keep the ref. implementation clean
>>
>> ed: if file:/// is used by web applications, the harness should
>> handle it surely?
>>
>> jo: mobileOK only tests http(s) URIs
>>
>> <jo> ACTION: daoust to prepare some material for F2F identifying
>> what changes would be needed to the mobileOK checker to allow
>> subclassing for file: scheme handling [recorded in
>> [14]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
>>
>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-916 - Prepare some material for F2F
>> identifying what changes would be needed to the mobileOK checker to
>> allow subclassing for file: scheme handling [on François Daoust -
>> due 2009-03-24].
>>
>> jo: if Abel, Miguel and Nacho would like to write a note, we'd be
>> happy for them to do it
>>
>> francois: maybe we should make sure they're not working on
>> something
>> we might abandon first...
>>
>> yeliz: what's involved in writing a note about this?
>>
>> jo: the idea would be to write a WG Note (informative doc, not
>> recommendation) pointing out the differences in the tests
>>
>> <yeliz> yes, thanks
>>
>> <yeliz> :)
>>
>> CT Guidelines New Version
>>
>> jo: new version posted on Friday 13th. Francois has noted some
>> typos
>> - thankyou - and there are lots of outstanding issues, which I've
>> yet to post.
>>
>> <francois> [15]CT announcement by Jo
>>
>> [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Mar/0103.html
>>
>> jo: these will hopefully get out today/soon
>> ... unless anyone has anything to say about this now, we should
>> defer til next week
>> ... (at the F2F). Sean, Rob? You may want to comment on HTTPS link
>> rewriting or link rewriting
>>
>> rob: happy to keep that for the list
>>
>> seanP: I need to look it over a bit
>>
>> jo: hoping to resolve this issue (the main outstanding one, tho
>> there are others we need to go back on, in particular Eduardo's
>> point re changing/replacing headers)
>>
>> ed: happy to deal with this and the other topics next week
>>
>> <francois> [I note I'll have a bit to report on X-Device-headers
>> next week based on a discussion with IETF]
>>
>> francois: are you thinking we misunderstood what a same-document
>> reference is?
>>
>> jo: either I've misunderstood what they mean or it doesn't quite
>> work
>>
>> BP Addendum - Next Steps
>>
>> jo: the poll said no-one was happy for it to advance to a WG Note
>> ... so there's more work to do. Kai's not on the call today. I've
>> scheduled half a days editorial session on this on Friday pm
>> ... we need to check Kai will be there for that
>> ... the November questionnaire hasn't been answered much
>>
>> francois: we only have 1 day left to answer the poll
>>
>> <Bryan> jo, post the questionairre link please
>>
>> jo: wondering if more folks can attend the F2F if it's not in San
>> Diego
>>
>> <Bryan> I prefer San Diego!
>>
>> jo: can we reopen this questionnaire with the additional answer "I
>> could attend if it's elsewhere"
>>
>> <EdC> "if it's elsewhere" is really a bit vague. Most answers will
>> be "I do not know"...
>>
>> jo: if we're to extend the charter we need another F2F. It'll
>> either
>> need to be there, or somewhere else.
>>
>> <jo> ACTION: daoust to extend the TPAC Noc Questionnaire and add a
>> question to assess whether the meeting would be better attended if
>> it was held somewhere else [recorded in
>> [16]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
>>
>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-917 - Extend the TPAC Noc Questionnaire
>> and add a question to assess whether the meeting would be better
>> attended if it was held somewhere else [on François Daoust - due
>> 2009-03-24].
>>
>> jo: there won't be a call next Tuesday because of the F2F and we
>> don't usually have calls post-F2F unless someone wants one. So no
>> call on 31.03
>>
>> <EdC> You mean 7th of April...
>>
>> jo: We will be back to normal time for everyone on 7 April.
>>
>> AOB
>>
>> <Bryan> jo, can you post the questionaire link, I can't find it on
>> the BPWG homepage
>>
>> <jeffs> bye
>>
>> <jeffs> quit
>>
>> <Bryan> oh well
>>
>> <jsmanrique> bye
>>
>> <jo> bryan - francois will re-post to the list
>>
>> <francois> and will update the WG home page to link to it, yes.
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>> [NEW] ACTION: daoust to extend the TPAC Noc Questionnaire and add a
>> question to assess whether the meeting would be better attended if
>> it was held somewhere else [recorded in
>> [17]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
>> [NEW] ACTION: daoust to prepare some material for F2F identifying
>> what changes would be needed to the mobileOK checker to allow
>> subclassing for file: scheme handling [recorded in
>> [18]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
>> [NEW] ACTION: JO to talk to Adam about getting a conf bridge set up
>> for f2f [recorded in
>> [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>> [End of minutes]
>>
>>
>>
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