- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:21:25 +0100
- To: public-bpwg@w3.org
Hi, The minutes of our teleconf today are available at: http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html and copied as text below. François. 13 Dec 2007 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2007Dec/0007.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-irc Attendees Present francois, jo, Dom, miguel, Adam, drooks, DKA, Shahriar, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Sean_Owen, Kai_Dietrich, SeanP, PhilA, achuter, Matt, nacho Regrets Magnus, Abel, Murari, Bruno Chair DKA Scribe drooks, dom Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]CT Task Force 2. [6]mobileOK Pro TF 3. [7]Accessibility document 4. [8]Call schedule over the holidays 5. [9]exiting CR for mobileOK Basic 6. [10]Good standing rules 7. [11]MWBP-related events 8. [12]Issues and actions * [13]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ dka: outlines todays agenda... CT Task Force <edm> cnnot get thru zakim ... <jo> [no progress in last week] <dom> ACTION-608? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-608 -- Daniel Appelquist to recruit a TF lead for CT -- due 2007-12-13 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/608 [14] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/608 dka: can anyone give us a run down of what been happening in CT TF? ... no chair found yet ... hopefully be next week we'll have found someone <dom> (action-608 now due on 20071220) dka: anyone want to be the chair? ... not much to update about the checker tf mobileOK Pro TF dka: was speaking at conference yesterday - there is lots of interest / awareness of mobile in dev community and people are becoming more aware of MOK <dom> ACTION-610? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-610 -- Daniel Appelquist to check with Kai if he's interested in leading the mobileOK pro TF and asking him to prepare a TF charter if so -- due 2007-12-13 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [15]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/610 [15] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/610 <edm> More on LeWeb3 conference in Paris at [16]http://www.leweb3.com/ [16] http://www.leweb3.com/ dka: now onto MOK Pro TF... ... do we meet criteria for a TF? jo: kai was volunteered sa chair and to draft charter <Kai> ACTION: Kai to write a charter for mobileOK Pro TF by January [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-612 - Write a charter for mobileOK Pro TF by January [on Kai Scheppe - due 2007-12-20]. <dom> [I'll close ACTION-610 as a result] <jo> [18]TF Rules [18] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/#rules <dom> trackbot-ng, close action-610 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-610 Check with Kai if he's interested in leading the mobileOK pro TF and asking him to prepare a TF charter if so closed dka: not much to report at moment on MOK Pro Accessibility document <dom> ACTION-611? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-611 -- Daniel Appelquist to check with Shawn and Alan on getting current doc as FPWD -- due 2007-12-13 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/611 [19] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/611 dka: document not yet ready for 1st public WD ... sean working on additional content for accessibility document <dom> [I think this closes ACTION-611] <dom> trackbot-ng, ACTION-611 closed <jo> [nothing to add] <dom> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-611 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-611 Check with Shawn and Alan on getting current doc as FPWD closed Call schedule over the holidays <dom> [I won't be available either on Dec 20, 27, Jan 3] dka: suggest we cancel call on 27th <jo> +1 t cancelling 20 and 27 Dec <dom> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: calls on Dec 20 and 27 canceled <dom> RESOLUTION: calls on Dec 20 and 27 canceled <Kai> yipee exiting CR for mobileOK Basic <dom> CR exit criteria: <dom> * existence of ten highly visible mobileOK-compliant Web pages representing a number of different applications; <dom> * existence of a checker that checks each aspect of each test specified in this document; <dom> * existence of a test suite to verify the correct operation of mobileOK checkers. <dom> [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20071130/ [20] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20071130/ dom: we need to define how to achieve our CR exit criteria <dom> dom: we're ok for the checker, and I've started to work on the test suite <dom> ... but we need someone to look at finding the 10 highly visible web pages dka: we need to find some MOK compliant web pages <Zakim> jo, you wanted to discuss new good standing rules and to say that dotMobi can find some <dom> ACTION: Jo to start collecting mobileOK web pages for mobileOK CR - due January 10 [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-613 - start collecting mobileOK web pages for mobileOK CR [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-01-10]. <Zakim> jo, you wanted to discuss new good standing rules Good standing rules jo: we've discussed some revised good standing rules ... a large number of members are not attending calls / contributing ... new rules are... <dom> [22]Draft Good standing rules [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/GoodStanding.html jo: 1. non-attendance a meeting within 3 weeks of joining group ... 2. sending regrets for 3 consecutiive weeks ... 3. don't respond to surveys 4. non-attendance for 6 weeks <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to ask about current list of participants <dom> [23]Participants in the Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group [23] http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=37584&public=1 <PhilA> [24]http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=37584&public=1 [24] http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=37584&public=1 dom: good standing tracking will be automated ... bad standing will not be automated MWBP-related events <PhilA> I have a quick one phila: trying to organise a joint w3c / gsma event in march ... should cover POWDER and MWBP dka: been planning a mobile web developer event in london <inserted> ScribeNick: dom Issues and actions -> [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/overdue Overdue action items [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/overdue close ACTION-596 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-596 Encourage group participants to re-register themselves or have their AC reps re-register them for group membership in two weeks. closed close ACTION-595 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-595 Encourage group participants to re-register themselves or have their AC reps re-register them for group membership in two weeks. closed close ACTION-597 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-597 Formulate a poll on what exactly people are planning on doing with mobileOK Pro, beyond issuing a mandate (potentially) closed <matt> dom++ close ACTION-598 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-598 Add to the poll people's intention to participate in a MobileOK Pro Cram Session including dates for doing this closed ACTION-588? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-588 -- Jo Rabin to with Dan to raise this document at next HCG meeting informing them of our intentions and soliciting input -- due 2007-11-12 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/588 [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/588 DKA: it wasn't discussed on the HCG call, but I included it in my report to the HCG Dom: due updated to January 10, will have to be updated for next HCG call presumably close ACTION-601 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-601 Send email chasing to people to renew closed ACTION-592? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-592 -- Edward Mitukiewicz to report whether he can be editor of the document who shall not be named -- due 2007-11-19 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/592 [27] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/592 Ed: we'll have a decision on this hopefully next week <inserted> ScribeNick: drooks dka: brian has indicated it looks ok dom: how do we get this document started? ... do ed and brian need to put together a 1st draft? dka: think we need more group input before 1st draft ed: 1st step should be defining scope, this can be a group effort dka: we discused this in boston... <dom> [I just created ISSUE-229 as a result of this discussion: "Scope of mobile web applications best practices"] ed: boston minutes are good start but needs further input <inserted> ScribeNick: dom <francois> ACTION-581? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-581 -- Jo Rabin to to promote discussion on the list and then produce editors draft based on discussion -- due 2007-10-30 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/581 [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/581 trackbot-ng, close ACTION-581 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-581 to promote discussion on the list and then produce editors draft based on discussion closed trackbot-ng, close ACTION-586 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-586 Raise ISSUE on setting criteria for group sign off on mobileOK checker once the task force says it is done with the work closed -> [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/228 ISSUE-228 What Criteria for Checker Approval? [29] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/228 ACTION-530? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-530 -- Edward Mitukiewicz to draft a page on context and its effect on content authors etc -- due 2007-11-21 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/530 [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/530 -> [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/20-bpwg-minutes.html#action02 Minutes where that action-530 was created [31] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/20-bpwg-minutes.html#action02 Ed: let's pretend this action never existed Jo: I think it would be useful to have such a document, actually [I've just updated the due date to early January] ACTION-593? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-593 -- Kai Scheppe to write a summary of preliminary work to be done for this working group to focus on Best Practices for Web applications -- due 2007-11-13 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/593 [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/593 Kai: thought I had done it, but don't see anything linked from it ... will look back at it ACTION-594? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-594 -- Daniel Appelquist to coordinate mobileOK Basic advancement, probably starting with a teleconf -- due 2007-11-13 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/594 [33] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/594 <PhilA> it was going to be a call with you, me and Marie Claire I think <PhilA> and kai, I assume ACTION-594 date updated <francois> ACTION-599? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-599 -- Alan Chuter to look at mailing list for sharing information between BP and EO -- due 2007-11-13 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/599 [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/599 DKA: the mailing list exists (the TF mailing list), but we haven't put it to use Alan: perhaps having a shared mailing list isn't that necessary ... I can serve as a bridge between the two groups DKA: we probably don't need it trackbot-ng, close ACTION-599 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-599 Look at mailing list for sharing information between BP and EO closed ACTION-602? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-602 -- Jo Rabin to raise an issue on how useful this spec will be without HTTP extensions of some form -- due 2007-11-27 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/602 [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/602 Jo: I raised that issue (ISSUE-227) close ACTION-602 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-602 Raise an issue on how useful this spec will be without HTTP extensions of some form closed ACTION-603? <trackbot-ng> ACTION-603 -- Jo Rabin to find out how to liaise with HTTP NG work -- due 2007-12-04 -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/603 [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/603 Jo: sent Mark Nottingham a long email, but didn't get a reply <PhilA> I think you just join the BISHTTP list <PhilA> I was on it for a short time, it's open Jo: Dom gave me another contact that I haven't contacted yet <PhilA> They had a f2f in Vancouver recently I think <PhilA> [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/ [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/ Dom: BISHTTP being presumably the list of the rechartered IETF WG that works on revising HTTP PhilA: the only requirement to join the WG is to join the mailing list, actually ... pretty active mailing list ... it's the old HTTP gang again Dom: they're "only" fixing HTTP 1.1, not creating HTTP 1.2 <PhilA> [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/0108 .html [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/0108.html PhilA: indeed, they won't be adding new features ... they have a very restricted charter DKA: how does that affect our ability to put mobileOK hints in HTTP headers? PhilA: I don't think they will help - the charter forbids them to define new headers, IIRC ... it's unclear how this affects the status of promulgating the Link: header ... I don't know that the IETF process is to push an internet draft as RFC <jo> [the CT group just wants to add some values for the Cache-Control header] -> [39]http://www.mnot.net/blog/2007/12/12/stale Mark Nottingham's on extending the Cache-Control header [39] http://www.mnot.net/blog/2007/12/12/stale ACTION-606 and ACTION-607 marked as PendingReview [discussions around ISSUE-222] -> [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/alternatives-discovery.html TAG Finding on Alternative Representations [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/alternatives-discovery.html <scribe> ACTION: Jo to restart discussion on the TAG finding (ISSUE-222) on the public mailing list [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-614 - Restart discussion on the TAG finding (ISSUE-222) on the public mailing list [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-12-20]. (ISSUE-227) ISSUE-227? <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-227 -- How Useful will the CT Guidelines Doc be, without extensions to HTTP? -- OPEN <trackbot-ng> [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/227 [42] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/227 (13 messages exchanged on this topic in the TF) Jo: there is mild support for going beyond Cache-Control and Vary ... my own view (which is not supported) is that if we only say so, we may as well have said 3 months ago DKA: I think we need to say something else Jo: if it's clear than something less brute-force than "no-transform" is needed (e.g. to allow compression by an intermediate, or adapting the image format, but don't relay my stuff out) ... then there is a need for something else ... the problem with no-transform in particular is [...]? kai: are you going to give instructions on how to handle specific parts of the content? Jo: no, the idea on the table is to day that "Cache-control: no-transform, ..." has a fail-safe interpretation for non-conforming proxies Kai: I'm wondering if we really have to worry about non-conforming proxies ... and not deal with those that don't follow the rules Jo: I agree-ish ... but there is a community agreement on how to fail safely these instructions ... is it in scope for our charter to invent new values for the cache-control header? ... it's clear we wouldn't want to invent new HTTP headers ... but having modifiers on the existing values might be OK-ish q, <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: new values for cache control headers is not new technology. <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will take over the IETF. <Kai> +1 <Zakim> Kai, you wanted to say that I think caching already understood and used badly enough. We do not need to make it more complicated but should focus on correct usage of what exists <PhilA> Happy Christmas everyone <jo> [and hanukkah] <drooks> bye <PhilA> bye Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jo to restart discussion on the TAG finding (ISSUE-222) on the public mailing list [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Jo to start collecting mobileOK web pages for mobileOK CR - due January 10 [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Kai to write a charter for mobileOK Pro TF by January [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes]
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