- From: Tim Moss <Tim@bango.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:25:17 +0100
- To: "Holley Kevin \(Centre\)" <Kevin.Holley@O2.com>, "Ray Anderson" <Ray@bango.com>, "Daniel Barclay" <daniel@fgm.com>, "Barbara Ballard" <barbara@littlespringsdesign.com>
- Cc: <public-bpwg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <2BC2AEC80DD48B40AAAB98A4BE71B5C9667C99@erol.Westbrooke.bango.net>
I agree that guidelines or best practices applied when designing a page 'intended' for PC web browsers, that give a reasonable experience when that page is viewed on a mobile device will be very useful. Surely this isn't the ultimate goal though. The ideal is that the information available is output in a way that is *optimised* as much as possible for the device it is being displayed on. On a mid format device e.g. a PDA then potentially little change is required, but on a low end phone, then the navigation through the information will need to completely change to provide the best experience on that device. However, until they get enough mobile users, I suspect that sites will not be given the capability to dynamically adapt the content based on the viewing device, so good practices for building static HTML pages in a way that means that they at least can be viewed on a mobile device is a useful step forward, but in my view only a fairly small step. Bango give content providers an easy mechanism for publishing a single URL in print etc. and taking the user to content suitable for their device. Tim Tim Moss CTO Bango e: tim@bango.com m: +44 78 8779 4032 t: +44 12 2347 2823 w: http://www.bango.com <http://www.bango.com/> Mobile Entertainment Summit 2005 ****************************************************************** "Come and see us at MES 2005 Hilton Universal City, Los Angeles, USA 27-28 July 2005" www.ihollywoodforum.com <http://www.ihollywoodforum.com/> ________________________________ From: Holley Kevin (Centre) [mailto:Kevin.Holley@O2.com] Sent: 22 July 2005 09:03 To: Ray Anderson; Daniel Barclay; Barbara Ballard Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org; Tim Moss Subject: RE: Best Practices document - not best practices Dear Ray and all, I think that this goes to show that we need a change of culture such that web designers take the mobile users into consideration when designing a website. We should not create a second class overlay web which has a few "mobile web" pages but should try to encourage the design-in of mobile friendliness at the start. I think in particular it would be useful if web design tools show how the pages look when viewed with a mobile device. At the end of the day the most open system is one where the end user decides whether to use the mobile device for viewing a particular site, and not the original designer, who is unlikely to understand all possible use cases. Regards, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Ray Anderson [mailto:ray@bango.com] Sent: 22 July 2005 06:45 To: Holley Kevin (Centre); Daniel Barclay; Barbara Ballard Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org; tim@bango.com Subject: RE: Best Practices document - not best practices Try viewing www.nokia.com <http://www.nokia.com/> Thats certainly not viewable from most small devices, because it has huge images, flash animation etc. Contrast with vodafone.com which provides a smaller site optimized for mobile when viewed from i-mode or WAP devices Ray At 21:24 20/07/2005, Holley Kevin \(Centre\) wrote: Could I ask how we tell the difference between "mobile web" and "regular web" ? Personally I use a mobile device to view "web" pages. In many cases I can read what is there irrespective of whether the target is "mainstream web" or "mobile web". Witness http://www.google.com/ This website displays very well on mobile devices and desktop-based browsers. 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If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us by telephone or email (to the numbers or address above) immediately. ===================================================== From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Barclay Sent: 20 July 2005 17:26 To: Barbara Ballard Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org Subject: Re: Best Practices document - not best practices Barbara Ballard wrote: >> I think you missed my point: It's a bit contradictory >> (hypocritical?) for a page about best practices for the mobile web to >> not follow best practices for the regular web. > > > If the document is written for mobile web, then best practices for > the > regular web are irrelevant. The document _about_ the mobile web is _presented_ on the regular web. Although good practices for the regular web may be irrelevent to the _content_ of the document, they are certainly relevant to the _presentation_ of the document. Not bothering to understand and follow good practices for the regular web in the presentation of that document certainly does not instill confidence in the content. > In fact, best practices for the regular > web can greatly interfere with the experience on the mobile web. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you're referring to common practices that I'd argue aren't good practices (e.g., pages or text documents that have widths tied to fixed-width elements). Daniel Ray Anderson CEO Bango ray@bango.com www.bango.com <http://www.bango.com/> Mobile: +44 7768 454545 Fax: +44 20 7692 5558 Come and see Bango at Mobile Entertainment Summit 2005, Hilton Universal City, Los Angeles, USA 27-28 July www.ihollywoodforum.com
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