- From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
- Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:17:36 +0100
- To: public-bpwg-ct <public-bpwg-ct@w3.org>
The minutes of today's call are at [1] and as text below; Jo [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 02 Sep 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Sep/0000.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-irc Attendees Present Bryan_Sullivan, HGerlach, Pontus, SeanP, jo, rob_finean Regrets Francois Chair Jo Scribe rob Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Comments on Last Call of CT Guidelines 2. [6]LC-2043 3. [7]LC-2025 4. [8]LC-2065 5. [9]LC-2018 6. [10]LC-2066 7. [11]LC-2050 8. [12]LC-2003 9. [13]LC-2034 10. [14]AOB * [15]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 02 September 2008 <hgerlach> +1 <jo> scribe: rob <jo> [16]LC Comment Tracker [16] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-ct-guidelines-20080801/ Comments on Last Call of CT Guidelines Jo: Starting at LC-2043 LC-2043 jo: Mark Nottingham makes a comment similar to LC-2043 ... saying decide if this is Guidelines or Protocol - can't be both SeanP: agrees with Jo's sentiments that most of the document is guidelines ... we're echoing common practise rather than specifying a protocol Bryan: but mentioning common practise is kind of recommending it as a protocol jo: I could take this back to the comments list ... <jo> ACTION: Jo to get back on LC-2043 and simialr pointing out what we are trying to achieve and asking for clarification [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-828 - Get back on LC-2043 and simialr pointing out what we are trying to achieve and asking for clarification [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-09-09]. jo: but I think guidelines are as far as we want to go with this document - definitely not a protocol definition LC-2025 hgerlach: we call the document guidelines but as LC-2025 says, there is little guidance for Eduardo <jo> ACTION: HGerlach to detail his thoughts arising from discussion of LC-2025 [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-829 - Detail his thoughts arising from discussion of LC-2025 [on Heiko Gerlach - due 2008-09-09]. jo: point of the document is not to prevent egregious behaviour but to provide a framework so the parties can understand and control what happens <hgerlach> will we agree the responses before sending it out? Bryan: this is a summary comment, there are more comments later that define specifics SeanP: would it be easier to hit the specific comments 1st? jo: maybe, but good to see them in tracker's order in overview ... skipping LC-2075 <jo> [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-ct-guidel ines-20080801/ [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-ct-guidelines-20080801/ LC-2065 <jo> [20]LC-2065 [20] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-ct-guidelines-20080801/2065 Jo: I did respond to Dennis on this informally Bryan: I'd like to review Jo's response and follow up <jo> ACTION: Bryan to review correspondence with Dennis cf LC-2065 and to draft a) proposed changes to the document and b) a proposed response to Dennis [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-830 - Review correspondence with Dennis cf LC-2065 and to draft a) proposed changes to the document and b) a proposed response to Dennis [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2008-09-09]. Bryan: I'll follow up on the public list LC-2018 <jo> [22]LC-2018 [22] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-ct-guidelines-20080801/2018 jo: This is about the document's title SeanP: there is a good point here, but I still don't know what to change the title to! Bryan: we'd call this "Content Adaptation" rather than "Content Transformation" ... but capturing the fact that you are adapting for a limited browser might be useful in the title jo: but "Content Adaptation" is commonly used as an origin-server technology already <jo> Content Transformation by Proxies? <SeanP> HTTP proxies? hgerlach: we don't change the content, we change the layout ... not convinced we need to change the title <hgerlach> +1 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Change the title of the document to: Content Transformation by HTTP Proxies: Guidelines <hgerlach> how about transducer instead??? <SeanP> How about "Guidelines for Content Transformation by HTTP Proxies? jo: given importance of "no-transform", transformation must be the right word Bryan: is the word Guidelines essential? jo: maybe not <hgerlach> How about orientation guide? SeanP: move Guidelines to a subtitle like "Guidelines for content providers, network operators and ..." <jo> ACTION: SeanP to continue discussion of the title on the list [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - SeanP <jo> ACTION: Patterson to continue discussion of the title on the list [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-831 - Continue discussion of the title on the list [on Sean Patterson - due 2008-09-09]. LC-2066 <SeanP> Another suggestion: Content Transformation by HTTP Proxies: Guidelines for CT Operators and Content Providers <jo> (assigned to Jo) jo: I'll respond to this LC-2050 jo: we do distinguish between these but don't make much use of the definitions ... and may be difficult to define it formally SeanP: possibility we could remove them? It's tricky to define formally jo: would anybody like to see what the impact of removing the definitions is? SeanP: yes, I'll do that <jo> ACTION: Patterson to look at what the impact on the document would be if we removed the definitions referred to in LC-2050 [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-832 - Look at what the impact on the document would be if we removed the definitions referred to in LC-2050 [on Sean Patterson - due 2008-09-09]. LC-2003 Bryan: in considering language around "user-control" I'll wait until Jo responds to LC-2003 before elaborating on this <jo> ACTION: Jo to propose text against LC-2003 referring to the TF's earlier discussions about not referring to a Proxy's internal operation [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-833 - Propose text against LC-2003 referring to the TF's earlier discussions about not referring to a Proxy's internal operation [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-09-09]. LC-2034 <hgerlach> what is left???? jo: does anyone have particular views? ... what's left are OPTIONS and random extensions like WebDAV methods <SeanP> OPTIONS, CONNECT, TRACE, DELETE rob: we don't do anything to other methods <jo> ACTION: Rob to draft a response to LC-2034 noting that the scope of CT as we mean it is limited to those methods [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Rob <jo> ACTION: Finean to draft a response to LC-2034 noting that the scope of CT as we mean it is limited to those methods [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action09] <trackbot> Created ACTION-834 - Draft a response to LC-2034 noting that the scope of CT as we mean it is limited to those methods [on Robert Finean - due 2008-09-09]. AOB jo: I'll chat with Francois when he's back about dividing the comments up - because we've made good progress today but finishing will take a long time at this rate <hgerlach> OK, bye Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Bryan to review correspondence with Dennis cf LC-2065 and to draft a) proposed changes to the document and b) a proposed response to Dennis [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Finean to draft a response to LC-2034 noting that the scope of CT as we mean it is limited to those methods [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: HGerlach to detail his thoughts arising from discussion of LC-2025 [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Jo to get back on LC-2043 and simialr pointing out what we are trying to achieve and asking for clarification [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Jo to propose text against LC-2003 referring to the TF's earlier discussions about not referring to a Proxy's internal operation [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Patterson to continue discussion of the title on the list [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Patterson to look at what the impact on the document would be if we removed the definitions referred to in LC-2050 [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Rob to draft a response to LC-2034 noting that the scope of CT as we mean it is limited to those methods [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: SeanP to continue discussion of the title on the list [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action04] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [38]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([39]CVS log) $Date: 2008/09/02 15:11:17 $ _________________________________________________________ [38] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [39] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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