- From: Sullivan, Bryan <BS3131@att.com>
- Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:52:26 -0700
- To: "Sean Patterson" <SPatterson@Novarra.com>, "public-bpwg-ct" <public-bpwg-ct@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <8080D5B5C113E940BA8A461A91BFFFCD09B3F1CD@BD01MSXMB015.US.Cingular.Net>
Sean, I agree with your comments. This gets back to my earlier comments that the purpose/scope of the CT guidelines should be how to do effective content transformation to enable acceess to non-mobile-aware web sites. Any extra value-added or policy-based aspects of the CT proxy's function should be out of scope. The CT guidelines should focus on getting CT function to work, and not stray into restrictions on what a CT proxy can be used for. After all, the CT function is likely just one aspect of the a proxy layer in a mobile browsing service architecture. I do believe the CT guidelines should state what it expects to be "normal" behavior, but recognize that other valid objectives may modify that normal behavior per the requirements of a particular deployment. Best regards, Bryan Sullivan | AT&T ________________________________ From: public-bpwg-ct-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-ct-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sean Patterson Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:08 PM To: public-bpwg-ct Subject: CT Guidelines and Cache-Control: no-transform In the current draft of the CT Guidelines, we have the following paragraphs at the end of section 4.4: ------ If the response includes a Cache-Control: no-transform directive then the response *must* remain unaltered other than to comply with transparent HTTP behavior and other than as noted below. If the proxy determines that the resource as currently represented is likely to cause serious mis-operation of the user agent then it *may*, with the users explicit prior consent, warn the user and provide links to both transformed and unaltered versions of the resource. ------ I wonder if this might be too strict. Here are a few reasons: 1) A web page that is too large for the memory of the device could cause it to crash or hang. Segmentation into smaller pages would be a useful transformation in this case. This may be covered by the second paragraph; maybe an example would make this clearer. 2) CT proxy operators frequently like to add headers and/or footers to web pages that contain useful tools such as a link to the home page, a link to bookmarks, a "Go To URL" box, etc. If some pages had headers and/or footers and some pages did not, this could be confusing and frustrating to users. 3) With a CT proxy that does URL rewriting (as opposed to a CT proxy that is set up as an HTTP proxy), once a user goes to a page that is not transformed (i.e., does not have its URLs rewritten), it may not be obvious to the user how to return to using the CT proxy. The links on the page no longer point to the CT proxy. 4) There could also be a billing issue with a URL-rewriting CT proxy that does not transform a page. Frequently, operators of CT proxies bill differently for transactions that go through the CT proxy and transactions that do not (billing is based on domain). An example would be a flat monthly fee for transactions that go though the CT proxy and billing by the KB for transactions that do not go through the CT proxy. Once a user receives a page that doesn't have rewritten URLs, he or she could incur larger data charges for Web usage without realizing it. 5) One could also envision some security advantages to allowing URLs to be rewritten even for "no-transform" pages. For example, phishing pages or viruses could be detected by the CT proxy and blocked. 6) Sometimes images or other media are marked no-transform. If the client can't handle the image format delivered by the content server (the content server would have to ignore the Accept header in this case), it may make more sense to transform the image into an understood format instead of delivering the unsupported image to the client. Obviously if it was decided that a no-transform page should be transformed, the goal would be to keep the formatting and visible content of the page identical to the original page (between the headers and/or footers). You'd also probably want to get the user's permission to do this. Sean
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