- From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:30:38 -0000
- To: "Alan Chuter" <achuter@technosite.es>, <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org>
- Cc: "Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force" <public-bpwg-access@w3.org>, "MWI MWBP Member List" <member-bpwg@w3.org>
To be fair to the BP it does say that it "relates to 10.4" which Given that we are discussing how the BP and 10.4 are indeed related, is fair enough. Jo > -----Original Message----- > From: member-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:member-bpwg-request@w3.org] On > Behalf Of Alan Chuter > Sent: 28 November 2007 12:15 > To: miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org > Cc: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List > Subject: Re: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] > > Hi Miguel, > > Thanks for your input. I have removed the comment and changed the text > (not yet online) to the following: > > [updated text] > How does it help especially users with disabilities?: While this BP is > primarily motivated by the limitations of the input mechanism of the > mobile device (for example, a small numeric keypad), it also helps > users who have difficulty using their chosen input device. > > Does it give me WCAG 1.0 compliance?: If default values are used this > ensures compliance with checkpoint 10.4 "Until user agents handle > empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in > edit boxes and text areas" for the controls concerned. However, there > is debate about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle > empty input boxes correctly. > [end updated text] > > Perhaps we should remove the last sentence "However, there is debate > about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle empty input > boxes correctly"? This document isn't really the place to debate > whether the checkpoint is obsolete or not. > > best regards, > > Alan > > [1] http://juicystudio.com/article/default-place-holding-characters.php > On 28/11/2007, Miguel Garcia <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org> wrote: > > WCAG 1.0 refers to place-holding text while MWBP refers to default > values. > > Default values could be used as place-holing text (instead of "Your name > here" it could be "Miguel") with no drawback. But [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] > doesn't guarantee compliance with WCAG 10.4 checkpoint as default values > are required only on suitable controls whereas place-holding text are > required in all controls. > > > > The comment should be included in the text pointing out they are > diferent checkpoints. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > >>-----Mensaje original----- > > >>De: public-bpwg-access-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-access- > > >>request@w3.org] En nombre de Alan Chuter > > >>Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2007 12:02 > > >>Para: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List > > >>Asunto: Re: [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] (was 'Summary table in section 3') > > >> > > >> > > >>I have inserted an explanation that should maybe included directly in > > >>the text. the BP is incorrect. What do other people think about this? > > >> > > >>Regards, > > >> > > >>Alan > > >> > > >> > > >>[1] > > > >>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED > - > > >>mwbp-wcag-20071125#PROVIDE_DEFAULTS > > >> > > >>On 17/10/2007, David Torres <dtorres@technosite.es> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> In the summary table of the Section 3 [1], How Mobile Best Practices > can > > >>> Benefit Users with Disabilities, I get confused because the > checkpoint > > >>> 10.4 has no relation with the MWBP [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] and, however, > in > > >>> Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 document that relation exists. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> [1] > > >>> > > > >>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED > - > > >>mwb > > >>> p-wcag-20071017 > > >>> > > >>> David Torres Leal > > >>> Consultor > > >>> Technosite - Grupo Fundosa > > >>> Tlf: 93 238 71 32 > > >>> Fax: 93 415 04 62 > > >>> www.technosite.es > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>Email: achuter@technosite.es > > >>Blogs > > >>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09119760634682340619 > > > > > > > > > -- > Email: achuter@technosite.es > Blogs > http://www.blogger.com/profile/09119760634682340619
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