- From: Neha Narula <narula@csail.mit.edu>
- Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 09:14:47 -0400
- To: "Reyes, Carla L. (Perkins Coie)" <CReyes@perkinscoie.com>
- Cc: Bailey Reutzel <baileyreutzel@gmail.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Ryan Shea <ryan@blockstack.com>, Blockchain Workshop <public-blockchain-workshop@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CADoRLC03PRY7Dr3fgAELvOC7BpqHATYni1HRi=C9jKMoXjUQng@mail.gmail.com>
Actually, fill it out before our meeting at 2 PM :) On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Neha Narula <narula@csail.mit.edu> wrote: > I made a poll. Please fill it out by EOD: > > http://doodle.com/poll/zhduxgsuvzk4td9q > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Reyes, Carla L. (Perkins Coie) < > CReyes@perkinscoie.com> wrote: > >> I think an academic that could speak to how w3c's work has shaped the >> landscape in the past (and not just at a technical level, but also Ina >> broader industry impact level) and can set up how the work folks at the >> workshop are about to undertake may shape the landscape going forward could >> be good. It would not be slanted toward any particular tech, and it could >> help reinforce the point of the workshop, the blending of communities, and >> broader implications of the undertaking beyond the technical aspects. >> >> Lightening talks have a tendency, in my experience, of going extremely >> over time, so I am less a fan of this option. Further lightening talks >> suggest plural and the more speakers to herd the more likely things go >> awry. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 12, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Bailey Reutzel <baileyreutzel@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Doug-- >> >> I still think you make a great point about having a speaker come in to >> get the conversation started, implant some interesting ideas, etc. Didn't >> someone suggest an academic? >> >> IMO, that would be better since they won't have stake in the game and >> there won't be a chance of them pushing a product, which is not what people >> want from this workshop. >> >> -B >> >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi, folks– >>> >>> I'm hearing a fairly consistent sentiment against keynotes. (What else >>> did I expect from a pack of Libertarians? :D) Assuming that y'all represent >>> a meaningful segment of blockchain folks, I'm now leaning against having a >>> keynote. >>> >>> I made the case for having a keynote, but I'm not yet hearing any strong >>> voices to reinforce the case for a keynote speaker. >>> >>> So, if you do want a keynote speaker, speak now or forever hold your >>> peace. >>> >>> I don't know if folks like Stefan or Arvind will still be motivated to >>> attend if they aren't giving a keynote, but let's hope. >>> >>> Regards– >>> Doug >>> >>> On 5/12/16 11:25 AM, Ryan Shea wrote: >>> >>>> I vote no on the keynote as well. >>>> >>>> I'd be concerned about a bias or slant towards one particular technology >>>> or platform like Ripple. Combine that with the fact that the industry is >>>> so young and we're essentially all peers here. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Rick Dudley <afd@erisindustries.com >>>> <mailto:afd@erisindustries.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't want a keynote. I want to make progress deploying >>>> decentralization technology into browsers. If he wants to have >>>> discussion about using standards bodies to develop technology, >>>> great. I don't want to hear about much else. >>>> >>>> Everyone who replied is on the blockchain side of things, I much >>>> rather have a keynote from someone who got some code into production >>>> browsers as an outsider. >>>> >>>> Maybe someone from Brave would be interested in joining us? >>>> >>>> -Rick >>>> >>>> On May 12, 2016 10:39 AM, "Neha Narula" <narula@csail.mit.edu >>>> <mailto:narula@csail.mit.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm OK with no keynotes, but I'd like to throw out another, >>>> academic option. Arvind Narayanan, a professor in computer >>>> science at Princeton: >>>> >>>> http://randomwalker.info/ >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__randomwalker.info_&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=96yakpEH0O4nTmF9ue1rz_qF-MaCvxy4WekCKqRQ6DE&e=> >>>> >>>> Arvind has done a ton of research in this space and actually >>>> wrote a textbook on Bitcoin. I've heard him speak (most >>>> recently at the MIT Bitcoin expo, link >>>> here: https://youtu.be/UVuUZm4l-ss?t=14155 >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_UVuUZm4l-2Dss-3Ft-3D14155&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=d4WcOR88d78ZBn0buV-shbVeIi0KlQwVmxmdxxvesX8&e=>) >>>> and he's an >>>> excellent speaker. He can address high-level overviews and >>>> broader themes while still incorporating interesting technical >>>> content. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Trent McConaghy >>>> <gtrent@gmail.com <mailto:gtrent@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Agree with Gavin, Chris and others - I prefer no keynotes as >>>> well. Better "participatory and collaborative atmosphere".. >>>> >>>> Lightning talks ok, but only if a fraction of the time, and >>>> if there are better scene-setting mechanisms, all the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> It would be helpful to have Stefan be part of the workshop >>>> though - he's good, and as Bailey mentioned is doing going >>>> through the W3C process with Interledger. Also his >>>> Interledger colleague, Evan Schwartz, is appropriate. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Gavin Wood >>>> <gavin@ethcore.io <mailto:gavin@ethcore.io>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm also inclined to stay away from keynotes and the >>>> like. I feel that the chances of engendering >>>> a participatory and collaborative atmosphere can be >>>> maximised by avoiding the elevation of any >>>> particular participants, even for a well-meaning purpose >>>> such as "getting everyone on the same page". Rather I >>>> would look for means to structure and define the events >>>> content and aims well enough beforehand to render any >>>> kind of "scene setting" largely redundant. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 12 May 2016, Doug Schepers < >>>> schepers@w3.org >>>> <mailto:schepers@w3.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Christopher– >>>> >>>> I hear you that your preference is for an entirely >>>> participatory event. >>>> I'm less convinced than you, at this point, that >>>> everyone is on the same >>>> page. >>>> >>>> Having a thoughtful speaker can set a tone and >>>> context, and raise great >>>> questions that are discussed at the rest of the >>>> workshop. >>>> >>>> At W3C's recent Advisory Committee meeting, Bruce >>>> Schneier spoke on >>>> security and the "techno-social process" of >>>> standards and law, and it >>>> was the highlight of the event, prompting a lot of >>>> useful discussion. >>>> >>>> A good keynote speaker can also attract attendees, >>>> who might feel more >>>> incentive to attend for a chance to listen to and >>>> interact with the >>>> speakers. >>>> >>>> More replies inline… >>>> >>>> On 5/11/16 7:58 PM, Christopher Allen wrote: >>>> >>>> There are a side variety of formats possible. >>>> Just a few that I’ve >>>> used: >>>> >>>> * Open Space >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Open-5FSpace-5FTechnology&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=6XYib6r8BbQjTU6kCqgSWLupBbLYQM7yCOLKnG8yF_c&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm open to looser agendas, but I am nervous about >>>> having a productive >>>> set of discussions if there's no general set of >>>> topics or agenda; I can >>>> see it descending quickly into rat-holing. >>>> >>>> There are also people who won't attend open-agenda >>>> workshops because >>>> there is less assurance of some ROI outcome. If we >>>> want to attract the >>>> right people, do you think an open agenda will be >>>> the best way to >>>> accomplish that? This isn't a rhetorical question… I >>>> don't know the >>>> blockchain community well enough to judge. >>>> >>>> (I've anecdotally heard from Asian colleagues that >>>> agenda-less meetings >>>> are sometimes not well-received in their cultures.) >>>> >>>> >>>> * World Cafe http://www.theworldcafe.com/ >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.theworldcafe.com_&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=_imW8fUm3jgu67tf4tRG7RCQimYeqvD8_aw2_N_VrX4&e=> >>>> or my >>>> closely related >>>> Braid (does more mixing) >>>> >>>> http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2009/09/facilitating-small-gatherings-using-the-braid.html >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lifewithalacrity.com_2009_09_facilitating-2Dsmall-2Dgatherings-2Dusing-2Dthe-2Dbraid.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=2JrQfvEOgMqIqHaYnSxuRms7AD6ohf5T6fbRVVq5KP8&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> This >>>> >>>> >>>> sounds interesting, but also a bit complicated to >>>> manage with a >>>> large number of people. >>>> >>>> My own thought was that we'd break out into >>>> voluntary topic tables, >>>> where people wander in and out unconference-style, >>>> and as topic petered >>>> out or built up, we'd discover which topics garnered >>>> the most interest. >>>> >>>> >>>> * Design Workshop (example of the last one I ran >>>> >>>> https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust/blob/master/event-documents/process/RebootingtheWebOfTrustProcess.pdf >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_WebOfTrustInfo_rebooting-2Dthe-2Dweb-2Dof-2Dtrust_blob_master_event-2Ddocuments_process_RebootingtheWebOfTrustProcess.pdf&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=MEF-4U_rxwzz4ci9mILS2utUpBYKrDCfS4l4iL0377Y&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> This also seems a bit complicated and gamified, to >>>> me. I'm somewhat >>>> skeptical of "new system" meetings where everyone >>>> has to learn the rules >>>> on the fly, which seems to inhibit natural >>>> conversation flows; they seem >>>> to be more about the process than the discussion. >>>> But I haven't >>>> experienced this particular variation, and maybe >>>> it's really effective. >>>> >>>> >>>> * Lightning Talks (truly 5 minutes talk and 5 >>>> minutes Q&A) for a >>>> half-day, then election from those for further >>>> discussion for rest >>>> of day. Repeat 2nd day. >>>> >>>> >>>> This is more or less what I had in mind. >>>> >>>> >>>> * Poster Sessions >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poster_session >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Poster-5Fsession&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=40qpBtcn0Z-lij9Kw21Yl5SZ8e5ErcPqrL3d5f-cnmQ&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> No enough group conversation for my taste. >>>> >>>> >>>> * and there any more… >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, many many more. I prefer to keep the rules >>>> simple, and maximize the >>>> group discussion opportunities. >>>> >>>> >>>> Another option is that one of the best graphic >>>> facilitators in the >>>> world resides in Boston, and we could retain her >>>> for $3500 and use >>>> whatever process she recommends. >>>> >>>> >>>> I like this idea, and I'd like to have the drawings >>>> for later >>>> documentation and spreading the word about the >>>> event. >>>> >>>> It would work well for plenary sessions; I'm not >>>> sure how it scales to >>>> multiple parallel groups discussing different >>>> topics. >>>> >>>> Also, we don't currently have the budget for this. >>>> I'd be even more open >>>> to it if we had more sponsors. >>>> >>>> >>>> The key point is that the knowledge is in the >>>> room, and parallel >>>> processes with smaller groups are more likely to >>>> emerge with choices >>>> for the larger group to explore. >>>> >>>> >>>> We agree there. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sage on the stage and other serial processes >>>> waste energy. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not convinced that's universally true. >>>> >>>> (I'm also skeptical of pithy slogans, like "sage on >>>> the stage". :P) >>>> >>>> >>>> But I don't want to dictate what format this >>>> workshop uses… I am open to conversation about it, >>>> making sure that we hear from a large number of >>>> people on the PC what they think will be most >>>> effective. I do want to settle on format fairly >>>> quickly, because it's a topic that can balloon to >>>> fill all available conversation time. >>>> >>>> How should we decide on format, in an efficient way? >>>> >>>> Regards– >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Gavin Wood Director, Ethcore >>>> email: gavin@ethcore.io <mailto:gavin@ethcore.io> >>>> <https://twitter.com/gavofyork >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_gavofyork&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=y7_rS0tM_MLcfuCpG9xihEvWWdfEGtBaGy8rgocrkIU&e=>> >>>> <https://uk. >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uk.&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=YB_n77vMy4sF89Ak5BxGrIAWSQmEBi26y5AZ8ihtYAU&e=> >>>> .linkedin.com/in/gavin-wood-88843316 >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linkedin.com_in_gavin-2Dwood-2D88843316&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=gZSvsVKLg0PcH70gP2EvNgDIsxkjaf7cqBPZw0-L9Tk&e=> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> *This communication and any attachments are >>>> confidential.* >>>> >>>> >>>> This communication and any attachments are confidential. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Follow me at @trentmc0 <https://twitter.com/trentmc0 >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_trentmc0&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=-X1w3GLzPCVmbjAtJFuN1jEQp5CRfeJ5S6fsZK8YbsY&e=> >>>> > >>>> http://trent.st >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__trent.st&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=xeIq3fQPDY_cvCbgmGxfYv2LP3sGpHeIiSgcWl0cwVI&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://nehanaru.la >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nehanaru.la&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=iyKrXHxuei8sl18SCWsUvO5DMOrolwj9VOhFET2fS0c&e=> >>>> | @neha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Ryan Shea* /blockstack.com >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blockstack.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=Y4taIvF_KN2roT3Jq3a9KKxfrTfkxW7qiJ0jP2ztqwY&e=> >>>> <http://blockstack.com >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blockstack.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=XRWvQHnpdBDRh-yzrHjqLpXuHNC_9nanQc6pPG_SpT0&r=ikIaHNRxkiCsY0orcUHIHYdSup2sVtEBMPivz-5UvZ8&m=hKri3voxmPO4PObdZypIyTP_5bFJqH1QJ3-5Mr4qY54&s=Y4taIvF_KN2roT3Jq3a9KKxfrTfkxW7qiJ0jP2ztqwY&e=> >>>> >/ >>>> >>>> /Cell: 650-564-7432 <tel:650-564-7432>/ >>>> >>>> /Skype: _ryaneshea_/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential >> information. 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