Re: Changes to the hosted extension model Fwd: Schema.org v3.5 release candidate for review

Hi Dan

Thanks for the reply.

The reason for waiting a couple of months is that we are planning a face-to-face meeting on 8 May to finalise our current proposal.

You can find our current proposal on GitHub at
https://github.com/BioSchemas/schemaorg/tree/BioChemEntity

They are represented in RDFa in the data/ext/bio/bio.rdfa file.

We have a deployed version of the schema at
http://bio.sdo-bioschemas-227516.appspot.com/


I guess when it comes to putting this into schema.org<http://schema.org> we may want to split it into a few issues, e.g. one each for the more generic type proposals such as Sample and LabProtocol, and one for all the biology types such as ChemicalSubstance, Gene, Protein, etc.

Alasdair

On 21 Mar 2019, at 18:27, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com<mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote:

(-public-schema.org<http://public-schema.org>@ list)

Here's an example: https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/blob/master/data/ext/pending/issue-1156.rdfa


plus examples of term usage in this format https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/blob/master/data/ext/pending/issue-1156-examples.txt


others: https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/tree/master/data/ext/pending


How are your drafts represented currently?

cheers,

Dan

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 10:15, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org<mailto:danbri@danbri.org>> wrote:


On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, 08:10 Gray, Alasdair J G, <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk<mailto:A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi Dan

Thanks for cross-posting this to the Bioschemas mailing list and keeping us abreast of the updates to schema.org<http://schema.org/> processes.

I think that the new approach will improve the understandability of the schema.org<http://schema.org/> vocabulary and in particular its namespaces.

What is not so clear is the process for getting types and properties into the pending area. In the Bioschemas community we have been working on types and properties for describing life sciences resources and are stabilising on a particular set of types and properties. In a few months time we hope to be in a position of being able to demonstrate many resources marked up with these types and properties as well as a range of applications consuming the markup. However, one difficulty that we already encounter is that our types and properties do not appear in the schema.org<http://schema.org/> namespace. So how do we now go about pushing these to pending?

That's why I have been bugging you all for a proposal of what changes/additions you actually want! Once we have that the work of adding is a technicality. Look in the data/ext/pending/ folder for examples of other definitions. You can either send a PR on Github or I can help. Why don't we do that this week rather than in a few months?

Dan


thanks

Alasdair

On 21 Mar 2019, at 02:57, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com<mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote:


Hello bioschemas folk. Here's a note on some changes we're making at Schema.org<http://schema.org/> in terms of how extensions are structured, published and named. I've mentioned to some of you that such a change was likely. It should not affect the detail of bioschema proposals heavily, but it does re-iterate the importance of establishing the use of new schemas. We'll use the "Pending" area for any proposals that bubble out of the Bioschemas community, which is the way most recent substantive additions to Schema.org<http://schema.org/> have also been handled. Any questions - feel free to ask...

cheers,

Dan

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 19:54
Subject: Changes to the hosted extension model Fwd: Schema.org<http://schema.org/> v3.5 release candidate for review
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I'm creating a separate thread here for one topic, regarding changes to our "hosted extensions" model. The document at https://webschemas.org/docs/extension.html provides an overview.

The essential change is a move away from using named subdomains (xyz.schema.org<http://xyz.schema.org/>) to tag subsections of schema.org<http://schema.org/>, e.g. "bib", "auto", etc. For now we retain the notion that terms are "in" areas of the site, but this is no longer to be reflected in site navigation URLs.

This change is motivated by a desire for greater simplicity and clarity. Publishers were confused about whether the URL for a term when used in markup needed the subdomain, and on whether the "hosted extension" terms were "really in" schema.org<http://schema.org/> or not. It has also become clear that the use of subdomains was a poor fit with the complex, inter-connected nature of schema development - many topics overlap in subtle ways, and cannot easily be partitioned into separate disconnected areas.

We continue to welcome collaborations around improving schema.org<http://schema.org/>, and as always retain our explicit focus<https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/blob/master/README.md> on "designs that are grounded in large scale usage on the Web, in particular usage by data-consuming applications since these in turn motivate data publishers". The updated extensions documentation<https://webschemas.org/docs/extension.html> highlights our existing use of the "Pending" area as our preferred way to bring in new proposed vocabulary. The Pending section gives us a faster way of publishing proposals and experimental improvements. As and when applications start using those terms, we can move them out of the Pending area.

cheers,

Dan

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Dear Schema.org<http://schema.org/> Community Group, Steering Group, interested parties,
Based on discussions here and in Github, here is a
proposal for a new Schema.org<http://schema.org/> release, version 3.5:

http://webschemas.org/docs/releases.html#v3.5


I'd like to aim at publishing this in the first week of April. Bugs, mistakes,
typos, modeling and example improvements and other detailed review
comments are welcome here or in the issue tracker at
https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/2052


cheers,

Dan

ps. as usual there are a few pieces of the release that will be put together
at the end (anything involving exact release dates, dated snapshots etc.,
plus a better release summary and hyperlinking of terms in the release notes).


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