Re: Update：Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing Community Group

Hi Chaals,
Thanks for the clarificatioin.  It is a useful feature and we will work on that soon.
Regards,Max------------------------------------------------------------------From:chaals <chaals@yandex-team.ru>Send Time:2016年8月29日(星期一) 18:16To:刘大鹏(鹏成) <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>; public-awpat <public-awpat@w3.org>Cc:mike <mike@w3.org>; Xiaoqian Wu <xiaoqian@w3.org>; 朱红儒(茱滴) <hongru.zhr@alibaba-inc.com>; 李克鹏(易深) <kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com>; 安勍(莳逸) <anqing.aq@alibaba-inc.com>; 张志强(言善) <yanshan.zzq@alibaba-inc.com>Subject:Re: Update：Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing Community  Group
Hi all.. Max, thank you for the update. 25.08.2016, 09:32, "刘大鹏(鹏成)" <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>: 1.       Extension to wpt-tools of “test the web forward” project, which can show the specification version of each test case (Done) Next Step:1.       Add <last spec>, indicating the latest spec version of each test case - Proposed by Chaals, @Chaals, would you like to expain more about the rational?  This is related to 1.3 below, as well. Currently the tool can run tests for a version of the spec by looking for test cases that say they support e.g. HTML 5.0 The problem is that in reality spec features are common at minimum to a series of specs. For example, there is no realistic version number to *begin* testing a list - and in all probability, there will be no end version, either. But let's imagine we want to test a feature like appcache, which is in HTML 5.0 only. We can use the current meta tag approach, and say the spec_version is html5.0 What about keygen? This is in HTML 5.0 and HTML 5.1, but not in HTML 5.2 and not expected to come back. being able to have "first version" and "last version" metadata means that any time we were running tests for stuff in HTML 5.1, or 5.0, we could test the things that use keygen. To take a more complicated example. accesskey="a b" is valid HTML 5.0, but invalid in HTML 4, in HTML 5.1, currently in HTML 5.2 - and won't be valid again until implementations change. If it does get implemented, it might well be in e.g. HTML 5.3 and many versions afterward. So how should we mark tests that use this feature? My first approach to this is to use a "first version" and "last version" marker for tests. This makes it fairly simple to collect things for e.g. HTML 4, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2 ... so it seems worthwhile. Let's see if it covers useful cases. cheers Chaals    Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing Community Group Time: Wednesday, June 1, 2016  4:00 pm  |  China Time  |  10:00 am |  Spain Time  |  Attendees: Chaals McCathie Nevile, Mike Smith, Xiaoqian Wu, Dapeng Liu, Hucai Duan, Peng Li Minutes:1. Discussion on the extension to “test the web forward” project, which can show the specification version of the test.1.1. Suggest maintaining a public website, that anyone can use, evaluate the work being done and how useful it might be. Provide Demos, use cases, documents etc.1.2. This extension should support multiple spec version numbers for one test case, since this would be the most common case.1.3. Validator may be used to determine the spec version of each test case.1.4. Setting up virtual team, milestone for the project.  Inviting more contributors to join the work. 2. Discussion on the idea of “collecting test cases from real world apps”2.1. Next Step: Find a way to efficiently collect the failures test cases from real world production. Thanks,Best Regards,Dapeng Liu------------------------------------------------------------------From:刘大鹏(鹏成) <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>Send Time:2016年6月1日(星期三) 15:54To:Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>; Xiaoqian Wu <xiaoqian@w3.org>Cc:public-awpat <public-awpat@w3.org>Subject:Re: Teleconference：Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing Community Group Hello all, We have an IRC channel: AWPAT Welcome to join. Thanks,Dapeng Liu------------------------------------------------------------------From:刘大鹏(鹏成) <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>Send Time:2016年5月31日(星期二) 23:13To:Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>; Xiaoqian Wu <xiaoqian@w3.org>Cc:public-awpat <public-awpat@w3.org>Subject:回复：Teleconference：Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing Community Group Hi Xiaoqian, Thanks! Dapeng Liu------------------------------------------------------------------发件人：Xiaoqian Wu <xiaoqian@w3.org>发送时间：2016年5月31日(星期二) 22:00收件人：刘大鹏(鹏成) <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>; Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>抄　送：public-awpat <public-awpat@w3.org>主　题：Re: Teleconference：Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing Community Group Hi all, W3C is pleased to provide WebEx support for this call, please dial in via - Advancing Web Platform Applications Testing CG Meeting
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Add this meeting to your calendar: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=meff0e902f1eeafde5434b96e69befcda Thanks. -xiaoqian On 30 May 2016, at 3:55 PM, 刘大鹏(鹏成) <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com> wrote: Hello all, According to the doodle, let us have the teleconference at: Wednesday 4:00 PM – 6:00 PM (UTC+8)   Dial-in Number：
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