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Re: Comparison of compression algorithms

From: Ted Guild <ted@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 15:10:49 -0400
Message-ID: <eb8da5a9efb646281df2001c4305616b1081bcb1.camel@w3.org>
To: Gunnar Andersson <gandersson@genivi.org>, Ulf Bjorkengren <ulfbjorkengren@geotab.com>, public-automotive <public-automotive@w3.org>
On Tue, 2020-09-01 at 11:28 -0400, Ted Guild wrote:
> We can/should also explore alternate formats Gunnar suggested
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Avro
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Buffers
> As these messages being transmitted are fairly small to begin with
> and 
> in-vehicle use case will have extremely low latency, I also want to
> try
> to understand how/where this would be more useful as
> encoding/compressing and decoding will cost time and depending on
> method non-negligible cpu. If the client app is just sampling to
> offboard and won't unpack (decode), then we probably should look at
> Extended Vehicle and other solutions being used for off-boarding in
> addition to formats. What problem[s] are we trying to solve here?

We confirmed on the call today the primary use case is for off boarding

For a variety of reasons (security, connectivity, car being off), data
being off-boarded from vehicle to the cloud will be pushed, not pulled.

Gen2 server instance can reside either in-vehicle or on a server in the

For in-vehicle client apps that will be residing on the vehicle or
nearby (local network) trusted devices, compression is not needed.
Cloud servers will not be permitted to connect to Gen2 (ports not open)
on a vehicle to make pull requests. Gen2 supports clients making pulls,
HTTP GET and subscribe on Web Socket, it cannot initiate a push to
server in the cloud.

Gen2 supporting alternate, including binary, formats besides JSON for
more efficient local storage until it can send buffered data off the
vehicle would help with 'every byte counts' when sending data off the

VSS in protobuf format can make a ton of sense, perhaps with some
further optimization along lines of what Ulf and Sanjeev have been
working on.

Gen2 server residing in the cloud, exposing data already off-boarded
can respond to pull requests from client apps running elsewhere in the
cloud. Compression makes sense there.

If someone has a different architecture in mind where vehicle<->cloud
connections differ fundamentally or we can translate a pull to push by
redirecting and caching/buffering data, I would like to hear it.

Ted Guild <ted@w3.org>
W3C Automotive Lead

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