[auto-wg-testing] minutes - 10 December 2015

available at:
 http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for your help to take notes, Ted!

Kazuyuki

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                       Automotive WG - Testing TF

10 Dec 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Paul, Dave, Kaz, Peter, Yingying, Ted, Adam_Crofts,
          Avery, Kevin

   Regrets
   Chair
          Paul

   Scribe
          kaz, ted

Contents

     * [3]Topics
     * [4]Summary of Action Items
     * [5]Summary of Resolutions
     __________________________________________________________

   <inserted> scribenick: kaz

   paul: Peter posted an issue on GitHub:
   [6]https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/75

      [6] https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/75

   peter: had an action to put on testing
   ... goes through the issue description
   ... ex 1: ECMAScript bindings
   ... ex 2: Test the Web Forward

   dave: any other W3C groups using this?

   peter: don't know actually
   ... TTWF is a completely open group

   <inserted> scribenick: ted

   kaz: this was an open project run by adobe and others
   ... two years ago they asked w3c to take it over and we merged
   with our work

   ted: if you're curious who else is using it besides w3c we can
   ask
   ... i don't know anyone offhand

   kaz: i can ask mike for help in getting us setup in this system

   peter: the join process is pretty spelled out
   ... the way you work with it is to fork and clone, then submit
   back your api

   <kaz> fyi, the slides on W3C Web Platform Testing:
   [7]https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IKpt626qpPnMpiFP9kbk
   TZaQPj9LST6Awa8d9zK7WCU/edit#slide=id.g4645dac6e_023

      [7]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IKpt626qpPnMpiFP9kbkTZaQPj9LST6Awa8d9zK7WCU/edit#slide=id.g4645dac6e_023

   [on the github md page it lists whatwg as another user]

   <kaz>
   [8]https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IKpt626qpPnMpiFP9kbk
   TZaQPj9LST6Awa8d9zK7WCU/edit#slide=id.g4645dac6e_023

      [8]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IKpt626qpPnMpiFP9kbkTZaQPj9LST6Awa8d9zK7WCU/edit#slide=id.g4645dac6e_023

   [9]http://w3c-test.org/ is maintained by mike smith, philippe
   le hegaret, denis ah-kang and formerly robin berjon with some
   assistance from w3c systeam

      [9] http://w3c-test.org/

   <kaz> test runner server:
   [10]http://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.html

     [10] http://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.html

   <inserted> scribenick: kaz

   kaz: Web&TV guys are trying to test TV runtimes
   ... so we could ask them as well for help
   ... also for test environment, we need some kind of emulator
   which provides car data instead of an actual car
   ... if we can use an IVI on an actual car, that's great
   ... but some of the developers need an emulator

   peter: have some mechanism but applied to our customers (=car
   manufacturers)

   dave: the idea is just emulating the data
   ... how realistic data we need?
   ... we might need only some edge cases

   kaz: would agree

   dave: e.g., provide the biggest/smallest data

   paul: simple mechanism which provides CAN data?

   dave: yes. for unit testing
   ... passing the test means being able to process the mocked
   data

   paul: got it
   ... so what's the next step?

   <inserted> scribenick: ted

   kaz: during the previous call urata-san said he interested but
   busy
   ... they are working on an emulator that might be useful. also
   i will ask mike smith and TV guys for assistance in getting
   started

   <inserted> scribenick: kaz

   paul: what about refactoring the access methods?

   -> [11]https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72 refactoring
   access method issue

     [11] https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72

   ted: reviewing it
   ... talked with the domain lead of web api (plh)
   ... maybe might want to reconsider how to handle the time
   ... T0 for battery status, battery temp., etc.
   ... the maker may use HTML ids
   ... would follow email discussions

   <ted> plh concerns with refactoring events along the lines of
   tobie's suggestion as a more contemporary way web apis are
   being created

   <ted> follow that convention will make it easier for web
   developers to code against our api

   paul: update for issue 72 with some thought

   peter: will continue to look through Test the Web Forward

   peter: started implementation already
   ... need to follow the original spec
   ... can't tell which would be better, the original style or the
   new style suggested during TPAC

   kaz: we should start with a small set of APIs for testing
   ... esp. those which are surely available with the cheapest
   cars

   paul: can provide a list of features
   ... can take an action for that

   <scribe> ACTION: paul to provide a list of features which are
   surely available any kind of cars [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Provide a list of features which
   are surely available any kind of cars [on Paul Boyes - due
   2015-12-17].

   peter: also would see the guys work for Test the Web Forward
   ... getting a list of limited features for testing is good
   ... would have an ideal set of testing

   <inserted> scribenick: ted

   dave: why are they not using tools like jasmine instead?

   paul: we use jasmine here. can it be as maintained though if we
   use it instead of test the web forward system
   ... i know there are other frameworks as well

   dave: curious what adam (jlr) might use

   adam: we would use any reasonable test tool

   [kaz, when you talk to mike please ask him why not jasmine? was
   it underdeveloped then or does it continue to have a shortfall
   for testing web apis]

   <kaz> ACTION: kaz to talk with Mike Smith about W3C Web
   Platform Testing and Jasmine [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Talk with mike smith about w3c
   web platform testing and jasmine [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due
   2015-12-17].

   <inserted> scribenick: kaz

   kaz: one quick note that the Test the Web Forward GitHub repo
   is exactly the one for the W3C Web Platform Testing
   ... we can use the test runner site if we add our tests to the
   repo

   <scribe> ACTION: kaz to create a doodle poll to gather people's
   availability [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Create a doodle poll to gather
   people's availability [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2015-12-17].

   [ adjourned ]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: kaz to create a doodle poll to gather people's
   availability [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: kaz to talk with Mike Smith about W3C Web
   Platform Testing and Jasmine [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: paul to provide a list of features which are
   surely available any kind of cars [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html#action01]

Summary of Resolutions

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