- From: Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC) <juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:19:04 +0000
- To: "Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, "public-auto-wcag@w3.org" <public-auto-wcag@w3.org>, "Wilco Fiers" <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
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I agree. I think Accessibility Conformance Testing lends itself to a bigger scope.
Juli-Ann Rowsell
Accessibility Subject Matter Expert, CIO Directorate
Corporate Services Branch
Shared Services Canada / Government of Canada
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Experte en matière d'accessibilité, Direction générale du DPI
Direction générale des Services ministériels
Services partagés Canada / Gouvernement du Canada
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From: Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>
Sent: June 25, 2018 8:35 AM
To: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>; public-auto-wcag@w3.org; Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
Subject: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
I like the ideas put forth here. From what I have observed, there are essentially 2 schools of thought:
1. Narrow / explicit – WCAG Testing Community Group
2. Broad / implicit – Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Community Group
I prefer the later, as it more closely aligns to the goal and scope of Silver to include more than explicitly “web content”.
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On 6/25/18, 6:48 AM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org<mailto:shadi@w3.org>> wrote:
Note that we will need to formally close this group and start another
with the new name. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as we can now
probably better describe the purpose and processes of the new group.
I'd also like to throw in the mix: "Accessibility Conformance Testing
(ACT) Community Group", to match the name of the related W3C spec and
effort. After all, I think we now consider this will be a longer-term
group that will pre-standardize (incubate) ACT Rules for AGWG.
Best,
Shadi
On 25/06/2018 13:32, Wilco Fiers wrote:
> Hey all,
> Thanks for the great feedback. I've scheduled an Auto-WCAG retrospective
> meeting next week. This topic is on the agenda. I'd like to come out of
> that meeting with a poll so that we can do a vote on the question.
>
> Wilco
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:25 AM Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com
> <mailto:ryladog@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 to Makoto!
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 1:03 PM Hilera González José Ramón
> <jose.hilera@uah.es <mailto:jose.hilera@uah.es<mailto:jose.hilera@uah.es%20%3cmailto:jose.hilera@uah.es>>> wrote:
>
> +1 to Testing-WCAG or WCAG-Testing
>
>
> Enviado desde mi teléfono móvil.
>
> From my mobile phone.
>
>
> -------- Mensaje original --------
> De: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com
> <mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com>>
> Fecha: 24/6/18 17:07 (GMT+01:00)
> Para: Auto-WCAG List <public-auto-wcag@w3.org
> <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>
> Asunto: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
>
> +1 to Makoto.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2018, at 2:14 AM, Makoto UEKI - Infoaxia, Inc.
> <makoto.ueki@gmail.com <mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com<mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>> I like “WCAG-Testing-CG”.
>>
>> “Accessibility” implies broader meaning than WCAG. This CG is
>> about testing for WCAG.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>> 2018年6月24日(日) 2:52 Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com
>> <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I had the same experience as Judy. Most people I talk to
>> about this work is under the impression that we're focused
>> on accessibility tooling. Even people that know we've got
>> a broader scope still mostly think of standardising
>> accessibility tools as being the primary goal for
>> Auto-WCAG. While that's certainly how it started, that no
>> longer fits with the work that's actually going on. The
>> two changes we've made since are these:
>>
>> 1. Rules no longer describe test procedures. They tell
>> "what" to test rather than "how" to test. In that way,
>> what Auto-WCAG is doing is rewriting the WCAG criteria to
>> be atomic and remove their ambiguities. Rule writing no
>> longer is about writing code - how something is coded up
>> has become irrelevant, as long as results are consistent.
>>
>> 2. The distinction between what is automated,
>> semi-automated and manual no longer exists in rules. By
>> keeping "Auto" in our name, this group keeps implying that
>> the work is mostly about automation, rather than being
>> about harmonising test methodologies.
>>
>> I like Gian's suggestion of "testing", so something like a
>> "wcag-testing CG" or "accessibility testing CG".
>>
>> Wilco
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:27 AM Gian Wild
>> <gian@accessibilityoz.com
>> <mailto:gian@accessibilityoz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I like the idea of using the word “testing” instead of
>> auto____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Cheers,____
>>
>> Gian____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:* Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com
>> <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2018 8:43 PM
>> *To:* public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>
>> <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Rebranding Auto-WCAG??____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Hey all,____
>>
>> I wanted to get some thoughts on this. Auto-WCAG was
>> originally conceived with the intent to write rules
>> for automated tools, and for semi-automated tools.
>> Those were two separate categories that we'd write
>> separate rules for. With the ACT Rules Format evolving
>> the way it did, this distinction has largely gone
>> away. This begs the question of: Should we remain the
>> Auto-WCAG community group, or is this name no longer
>> representative enough of our work that we should
>> rebrand?____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Should we rename
>> the group, and if we do, what should our new name be?____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> -- ____
>>
>> *Wilco Fiers*____
>>
>> Senior Accessibility Engineer - Co-facilitator
>> WCAG-ACT - Chair Auto-WCAG____
>>
>> ____
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Wilco Fiers*
>> Senior Accessibility Engineer - Co-facilitator WCAG-ACT -
>> Chair Auto-WCAG
>>
>> --
>> --
>> <以下、署名>
>>
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>> 植木 真
>> <ueki@infoaxia.co.jp <mailto:ueki@infoaxia.co.jp<mailto:ueki@infoaxia.co.jp%20%3cmailto:ueki@infoaxia.co.jp>>>
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>
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>
> --
> *Wilco Fiers*
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