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Minutes for Teleconference on 14 August 2014

From: Annika Nietzio <an@ftb-volmarstein.de>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:35:21 +0200
Message-ID: <53EE1AA9.6050509@ftb-volmarstein.de>
To: auto-wcag Mailing List <public-auto-wcag@w3.org>
Automated WCAG Monitoring Community Group
Teleconference 2014-08-14, 16:00 - 17:00 h (CET)

Participants: Wilco, Birkir, Hanno, Kamyar, Annika (scribe)

ITEM 1 Action items: 
Annika: Still working on SC 3.2.2.
Wilco: no progress this week.

ITEM 2+3: Review 3.1.1 Language of Page and 3.1.2 Language of Parts
Hanno updated the test descriptions directly.
Kamyar added comments to the discussion pages.

Hanno suggests to to use automated language guessing. There is an 
implementation in Quailjs.
Annika: what are the assumptions. How long does the text have to be?
Hanno: If the language is letter based like English, only use if 
string.length > 300. The string length is unneeded since all 
character-based languages are in different unicode singletons and 
therefore captured even without language guessing.
Hanno: There are several different approaches for automated language 
guessing. If the tool runs on a server there are more resources (memory, 
processing power) than for a tool running in a web browser.
Annika: How much details do we need in the test description?
Birkir: Add link to language guessing implementations/algorithms. But 
keep text as simple a possible.
Wilco: Suggestion to look at block level leaf elements which contain 
text of a certain length. auto-wcag must define a threshold. This is a 
task for benchmarking.

Discussion of SC312-text [1]
Wilco: Add separate step for user testing after the automatic 
language-guessing step.
... Add assumption: single words in another language don't need to be 
Discussion: marked up.Discussion:

Discussion of SC311-text [2]
When does SC 3.1.1 fail?

Hanno provided an example: a Dutch government web page which contains 
the text of a speech in English [3].

There are different possible definitions of "primary language" of a page?
1. language of the majority of content.
2. language of interface
3. language of the intended audience
(More details can be found also in Authoring HTML: Language declarations 

Annika is going to take this into account when updating the test SC311-text.

Discussion of SC311-html [5]
Kamyar's comment differs for outcome of discussion on 2014-07-24. Birkir 
promised to investigate further. Annika is going to send him a reminder.

ITEM 4: Final comments
Annika: you can now find the list of tests that are ready to be reviewed 
on a special wiki page:


[1] https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/SC312-text
[2] https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/SC311-textDiscussion:
[4] http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/
[5] https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/SC311-html


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