Re: Reinvigoration?

Thanks Bruno!

In New Zealand, the National Library has been involved though I'm not sure
to what extent they've implemented IIIF. Also Te Papa (the National Museum,
for non-kiwis) have experimented using an external hosting service, e.g.
[1]. Auckland Museum have been very engaged with technology and standards
including Linked Open Data, so could be amenable. I know that Manawatu
Heritage have implemented, via Glen Barnes, but can't find their endpoint.

The 3d group in IIIF is focused on use cases and community, rather than
standards. One of the issues that the IIIF world faces is the lack of the
underlying standards for 3d object data. The promise of IIIF and
interoperability is being able to composite together multiple models into
scenes and annotate them ... but we're not there yet with 3d on the web.

The upcoming version of the IIIF APIs use the W3C Web Annotation standard,
which replaces the community group spec for Open Annotation. The Web
Annotation spec is what Apache Annotator (and Hypothes.is, and many others)
are built on, so this brings IIIF up to date and allows a robust choice of
implementations to use.

While we shouldn't try to compete with IIIF (that would make my life very
hard, as an editor for IIIF!) I think there are different layers and
different domains that we could be thinking about. For example, using
Linked Data, how do we describe the objects of digitization, the process by
which they are digitized, and the resulting digital artifacts? This would
be too domain focused for IIIF.

Rob

[1]
https://tepapa.iiifhosting.com/iiif/f8e5d08d4cceda17acc143a37de0e54a1396d4444de20c2a445bf4e5d93fc138/info.json

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 7:53 PM Bruno P. Kinoshita <kinow@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> I am a bit away from Open Source, semantic web, Apache Foundation, etc,
> due to new role at work.
>
> But just before this role, I was getting involved with IIIF, and trying to
> find local (New Zealand) players interested or already working on that. But
> alas found only the local museum, and nothing public about their use cases.
>
> James Gurney, an American artist that I follow, recently published a post
> about the Chicago Arts Institute releasing hi-res image files. And I was
> really happy to see that they chose IIIF as the open access format.
>
> IIIF has also a 3d community group (https://iiif.io/community/groups/3d/),
> and there are tools being built to add metadata to files shared via IIIF -
> one I used briefly for an experiment was SimpleAnnotationServer, built
> using Apache Jena to store triples with metadata about the images, allowing
> users to add annotations. And if I remember well, these annotations were
> added using W3C's Open Annotation.
>
>
> Working with industry and academia, I had seen proprietary formats, and
> also custom built solutions for storing and sharing. But IIIF is the
> standard that I enjoyed the most. Their community is quite healthy, and for
> developers there are lots of open challenges (lots of parallels with GIS,
> challenges for metadata, load balancing, caching, tiling).
>
> Just my 0.02 cents.
>
> Cheers
> Bruno
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
> To: public-art@w3.org
> Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 10:04 AM
> Subject: Reinvigoration?
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> Two weeks ago was W3C's TPAC conference in Lyon, France. If you were there
> and I missed you, I apologize, it would have been lovely to connect in
> person.
>
> Talking with Angel and Adam Soroka of the Smithsonian, it was suggested
> that setting at least an interim chair would be a great way to start to
> reinvigorate the group again. As such, I am happy to try to shake the
> bushes a little bit and see what we can make happen.
>
> My own travels took me then to Cyprus to a Digital Cultural Heritage
> concept. The discussions there revolved around standards and collaboration,
> but only very rarely in the context of the web architecture. The topics
> ranged from Linked Open Data and documentation standards, through to large
> scale 3d digitization and publication of models.  Institutions came from
> Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa, with a smaller contingent of
> North Americans, which was a lovely reminder that via the web, we are truly
> a global society with enduring and engaging local cultures that deserve to
> be recognized and understood.
>
> A chilling reminder of the dangers of centralization and delegation of our
> responsibilities as cultural organizations then came with the announcement
> from flickr's new owners that they will limit free accounts to 1000
> photographs and simply delete the rest after a relatively short grace
> period to pay up. It's not known how many organizations contribute to
> Flickr Commons via free accounts with more than 1000 photos, but it's clear
> that we must not rely on the indefinite goodwill of such platforms to give
> us free lunches.
>
> We see the beginnings of this in the 3d domain. Various corporations are
> vying for the position that flickr had in its early days for hosting and
> publishing 3d models, in their own proprietary formats. We must learn from
> history and instead work together to come to agreement as a community
> around standards that can be implemented independently and interoperably,
> resulting in a marketplace of solutions both open source and commercial
> rather than a monopoly for the few first movers.
>
> I would like to propose that a valuable starting point for discussions
> would be an analysis of current web-oriented standards for the description,
> digitization and dissemination of 2d and 3d objects of cultural
> significance.  This can be wide ranging, as we focus in on what our joint
> interests and expertise would make it productive to actually work on.
>
> I hope you will share your experiences, opinions and technologies with the
> group to further our mutual aims!
>
> Rob Sanderson
> --
>
> Rob Sanderson
> Semantic Architect
> The Getty Trust
> Los Angeles, CA 90049
>


-- 
Rob Sanderson
Semantic Architect
The Getty Trust
Los Angeles, CA 90049