MINUTES: 14 September 2016 ARIA Automated Testing Sub Group Teleconference

Link:
https://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-aria-test-minutes.html



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- DRAFT -
Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
14 Sep 2016

See also: IRC log<http://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-aria-test-irc>

Attendees
Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, shepazu
Regrets
cythnia
Chair
jongund
Scribe
jongund
Contents

  *   Topics<https://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-aria-test-minutes.html#agenda>
  *   Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-aria-test-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  *   Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-aria-test-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

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<scribe> Meeting: ARIA Testing

<scribe> scribe: jongund

JG: I have not heard back from Deque people on creating tests

RS: ARIA modal is an issue
... On the OS X plateform prunes, how do we represent that in the results

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-modal.3D.22true.22_on_a_dialog


JG: Trying what are the different types values/ results we need to represent
... That one sounds like it might be hard and to do a manul test this round

JD: What I think would be to do, start a top level container with some children, and then make the dialog appear and then get a child level count
... When the modal appears the other children will be gone and there will only be one

RS: You need to check that ARIA modal, how do you want me to do this

JD: Cynthia of proposed JSON object, she had an array
... I would have an array of element assertions
... first part of the test has three children...

RS: We need to put some additional text, the element X has so many children, but we have to make sure stuff is gone

JD: SO the child count one
... The reason I say child count because it should be available on all platforms

RS: So you only want to do a child count

JD: SO when you get the modal dialog, it has a single child, the parent ....

JG: We have the capability to say something is not defined

JD: We need to know that some elements are not there

JG: We need to define what we want to test

JD: We need to find an object and then test its property, determining if some element does not exist is harder and less reliable

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-modal.3D.22true.22_on_a_dialog


JD: I like the sibling idea
... Can you do a test where you don't have aria modal and then have modal

RS: We have modal=false the next test

JD: If we have the sibling test, in one test there will be no siblings and in the next test there will be siblings
... I would phrase it this way, the parent element with role=test has N child count, so instead of saying sibling we say how many children does the parent have
... DOes that make sense RS
... I think you did it right, but the wrong place in the wiki
... Your statement is only true for the AXPI platform

RS: I will put that in there

JG: Other issues?

RS: No

JD: Shane has a sample ATTA, so I am hoping to a demo at TPAC for my plateform

JG: Good news!

JD: I working on it and think I am close
... My platform accessibility listener, we need to block the main thread
... The other thing I am hoping, ... , IA2

JG: You have code, we can translate it to C#

JD: NVDA does IA2, if it doesn't have to be in C# and then it could be done Python

JG: Send me a link to your code and we can take a look at it

JD: I have a question, can Jon participate

RS: I need to leave, can you take a look what I did for ATK

JD: Technically no, but I know what you mean
... I am looking for state model is set
... If it is not in the state set....

RS: You want it to say....

JD: In column 2 ...
... discussion of ATK mapping details for state modal ...
... What you have is parsable, but not technically correct

RS: What do we do with shown, what do you want me to do?

JD: Present versus absent
...

RS: I am going to put true
... I am leaving

DS: The thing I am interested in is creating tests for SVG, JD has been working with Fred
... Fred is planning on becoming an invited expert
... I want to work with JD and Fred on SVG testing

JD: All the little kinks are worked out for core ARIA, they can be used for SVG testing
... We have all these tables and work out the issues, we should be able to use Freds existing tables

DS: I will joining these calls on an as needed basis

JD: Do we have anyone working on OS X?

JG: I am working on it

JD: If you are planning on automated testing who will do a platform tools

DS: We know there are some limitations with automated testing and accessibility

Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
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