Minutes: ARIA APG - Tuesday April 21, 2020

Hi all,

Here is the minutes for ARIA APG.
https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html

Thanks,
Jemma
[W3C]<http://www.w3.org/>
- DRAFT -
ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force Telecon
21 Apr 2020
Agenda<https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-21%2C-2020-Meeting>
Attendees
Present
MarkMccarthy, jongund, carmacleod, mck, Jemma, james, curt
Regrets
ZoeBijl, SarahHigley
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
Jemma
Contents

  *   Topics<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#agenda>

     *   new agenda reqeust<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#item01>
     *   Tabbed carousel<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#item02>
     *   Combobox example<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#item03>
     *   menubar final check in<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#item04>

  *   Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  *   Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2020/04/21-aria-apg-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

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<mck> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-21%2C-2020-Meeting

<scribe> scribe: Jemma
new agenda reqeust
no new agenda
Tabbed carousel
car: changed some of wording
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1120#discussion_r412359403

mck: by default page load, do we want to load captions out of images?
jongund: I disagree
if Jon thinks that the design is not what that they want and it will not be used because of that, that is valid concern.
mck: Decision: Right now defaulting showing the caption and allow users to change their preference.
James: I like the way it is and let's ship it.
car: (Going through edited text..)
Jon: preferred reduced motion was added to css by Sarah
mck: your os setting will determine when the second check box is checked.
car: I will add those system setting info regarding reduced motion initialization..
jon: I will check the code for initializaiton.
car: Sarah just wanted to make sure that we followed the implementation what we talked last week.
Third checkbox: Auto-rotation is disabled.
sri: aria described by content is too long
mck: aria described by is pretty normal for providing further info.
... length itself is not the concern.
aria descrbed by information is "This option improves accessibility for users with visual impairments and people who are distracted or confused by auto-rotation by disabling the auto-rotation feature and removing the start/stop button from the user interface. Users can use the tablist to manually navigate through the slides."
car: how about redoing visual review since we have some changes?
... in particular to focus styling - dotted line around focus.
jongund: we can do solid line if we want to.
<carmacleod> Coming soon in Chrome/Edge: https://blog.chromium.org/2020/03/updates-to-form-controls-and-focus.html

mark: I will finish the visual and accessiblity review for carousel
Combobox example
<carmacleod> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1375

mck: so we can put aria hidden on tabbable image?
jongund: to open popup like click in mobile we coded mouse up and down event
<carmacleod> https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/combobox/combobox-autocomplete-list.html

mck: screen reader users hear state combobox and state button "collapsed" next things. The questions is whether state button creates the distraction. what would be better for users - it is button or image part of the combobox? The issue could be something visual enhancement of combo box.
... This is extended to mobile touch issues.(This is why we talk about touch, click, or mouse up above)
james: more complexity we add, there is more chance to mess up. Screen reader foucs is more desirable that hiding it.
<MarkMccarthy> jamesn has convinced me
+1 for james
mck: in this case, drop down icon is truly redundant
james: focus and double tap the field will open the field.
it is like that of date picker example
mck: we will still use aria states - expanded and collasped.
... consensus is we want editable comobo box and both elements will be accessibile - input and button.
menubar final check in
PR 1356 - update menubar editor js/high contrast
PR 1359 - update menubar navigation js/high contrast
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1356

mck: both are ready to go in terms of editorial perspective.
car: not sure about that
... menubar does not look menubar anymore.
<siri> +1 for Jon
jon: arrow and grouping indicate design affordance.
<MarkMccarthy> +1 jongund
car: menu selection does not selected background like that of chrome menu selection
... outline and change background for selected menuitem
<MarkMccarthy> MarkMccarthy: or Windows' File Explorer menubar / ribbon might be a good example to look at too