- From: Michiel Bijl <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:06:23 +0100
- To: public-aria-practices@w3.org
The minutes for today’s APG call can be found in this email or at this link: https://www.w3.org/2018/12/17-aria-apg-minutes.html —Michiel [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - APG Task Force for December 17, 2018 17 Dec 2018 [2]Agenda [2] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-17,-2018-Meeting Attendees Present matt_king, MichielBijl, AnnAbbott, MarkMcCarthy, jamesn, CurtBellew, siri, JaeunJemmaKu, BryanGaraventa, jongund Regrets Chair Matt King Scribe MichielBijl Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]APG Task Force for December 17, 2018 2. [5]Special announcement 3. [6]Meeting time survey 4. [7]Release 3 Schedule, outstanding reviews, and content plan 5. [8]Terms subsection in carousel pattern 6. [9]Carousel description and definition 7. [10]Future meetings and other business * [11]Summary of Action Items * [12]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ APG Task Force for December 17, 2018 <scribe> scribe: MichielBijl <AnnAbbott> scribe, AnnAbbott <jongund> anyone else having trouble with WebEx? Special announcement JN: Since I took over as co-chair <Jemma> [13]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-17%2C-2 018-Meeting [13] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-17,-2018-Meeting I don’t feel I’ve been able to give enough time to it I’ll be stepping down as co-facilitator MK: We’ve invited Jemma to be co-facilitator together with me Welcome aboard! JK: Thank you for the opportunity and I’ll do my best! <siri> congrats Jemma It’s been four to five years and it’s time to step up! <AnnAbbott> Congrats, Jemma! <MarkMcCarthy> Huzzah! JN: I’ll still be contributing and doing what I was doing before But having somebody that can devote more time to it would be really helpful! MB: Congratulations Jemma, well deserved! <Jemma> Thanks everyone. Meeting time survey <Jemma> [14]https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDZdncAt_2ZYaywFl pEklRcjmcLMOnI7UU987_dYe7HI9w1w/viewform [14] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDZdncAt_2ZYaywFlpEklRcjmcLMOnI7UU987_dYe7HI9w1w/viewform JK: There was a request to change the meeting time We came up with nine options From there we’re gonna pick a time for the APG meeting Please fill in the survey JN: If there are more than three options that work for me can I submit more? JK: I just changed it so that you’re able to do that MK: Thank you very much If we can get everyone to fill this out before the next meeting (January 7th) that would be really helpful Jemma can you put this on the list or even individually email people like Job van Achterberg? JK: Yes that sounds good Release 3 Schedule, outstanding reviews, and content plan MK: I put today as final day for the final review Whatever is ready today could go into final review There will be a couple more than what we have now The January 7th meeting is the last opportunity to get things reviewed for master We’ll send it to Joanie after that The schedule is to publish on January the 17th. Right now the revised radio pattern has been reviewed It’s already reviewed by two people and we’d like at least one more I’ve also asked Carolyn to the review radio group SG: you can add me to that review <siri> Gubba / maiden name is Balusani :) [15]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/957 [15] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/957 MK: Have assigned Jon, Michiel, and Ann as reviewers on the carousel PR We will open PRs this week For carousel example one There will be a couple of them Not sure we can get that all today but certainly tomorrow It will involve testing Are there any people that want to review these changes? AA: You can put my name on it <siri> in github my id is shirsha MB: If it’s changes that are gonna be done before the end of the week I can have a look at it MM: I can try CB: I think I have some time MK: Not sure we’ll get to carousel example number two But we’ll see how far we get Terms subsection in carousel pattern <mck> link to carousel pattern draft: [16]https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue43-add-caro usel-pattern/aria-practices.html#carousel [16] https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue43-add-carousel-pattern/aria-practices.html#carousel MK: First thing I want to ask people about is the change that I made to the structure of the pattern Instead of the default three sections I’ve added a fourth named Terms. When we did this before they used to be at the end of the pattern AA: Looks good to me MB: Don’t have a preference but it looks good to me MK: Anyone that sees this as problematic I’ll leave it as is for now If you’ve got comments during review go ahead and put it in your review Siri you had a question about the description and definition? Carousel description and definition <mck> A carousel presents a set of items, referred to as slides, by rotating, i.e., horizontally scrolling, a subset of the slides into view at a time. Typically, <mck> one slide is made visible at a time, and rotation automatically starts when the page loads. In some implementations, rotation automatically stops once <mck> all the slides have been displayed. While a slide may contain any type of content, image carousels where each slide contains nothing more than a single <mck> image are common. MK: Bryan are you able to read this? BG: I posted comments on the list about the definition JN: My major comment seems that we’re encouraging auto-rotation with this text We always try to not auto-rotate carousels MB: I agree with that SG: I agree too MK: Oh OK, I’ve never had success with not getting them to auto-rotate BG: We shouldn’t avoid auto-rotation <Jemma> Bryan's comment on the list "In addition to removing the reference to horizontal sliding, I recommend adding that these are also called slideshows, and that automatic rotation may start when the page loads, because this is not always the case that they always do." JN: No, but we shouldn’t set it as the default MK: How about we change it from “In some implementations, rotation automatically stops once all the slides have been displayed.” to “In some implementations, rotation automatically starts after page load and stops once all the slides have been displayed.” JN: Yep! MB: WFM BG: Should we add something about visually hidden items/slides to be properly hidden? MB: Should this even be a numbered list? MK: The order doesn’t matter so no it shouldn’t SG: The first three are related to auto-rotation MB: I’d say #4, #3, then the auto-rotation ones MK: Bryan do you have a strong preference with regards to live regions and carousels BG: It’s not advisable to move focus away from the next/previous buttons AA: I agree MK: If we say how to use live regions, and say how it’s easier not to use them SG: Could we change the wording on “horizontally scrolling” MB: Yeah perhaps we can change it to something not orientation limited JN: We had a different implementation where everything was available via tab MK: If we just remove “horizontally scrolling”… If we say “they rotate into view” would that be OK? JK: I like that MB: Me too s/Too/Me too/ SG: Don’t make it more complicated than required MB: +1 MK: We try to tell people what to do as much as what not to do So what I’m hearing is that it’s OK if we remove the “horizontal scrolling” All: yeah BG: A scenario, something I see people do: in the description it says “any type of content can be added”. In a sense a carousel is similar to a wizard. Although the interaction is somewhat MB: Do you mean to say that people could use a carousel for a wizard? Because I don’t think that would be an issue BG: Don’t think we have anything to worry about no MK: We have a wizard pattern in the works too <jongund> I need to go now to another meeting Would a carousel normally restart when you mouse out of it MB: I’ve seen it both ways BG: I generally see them where they restart after the mouse leaves SG: Same BG: Should there be a keystroke to stop all carousels? MK: I’m a little hesitant to suggest that BG: carousels can have an impact on line length for SRs MK: I think that’s an AT issue they should work on fixing <Jemma> mk:Recommend on region or group containing entire carousel, including controls. <Jemma> Matches aria-roledescription guidance in ARIA spec <Jemma> mk: read [17]http://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-roledescription [17] http://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-roledescription MK: please read WAI-ARIA Roles, states, and properties for next meeting: [18]https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue43-add-caro usel-pattern/aria-practices.html#carousel [18] https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue43-add-carousel-pattern/aria-practices.html#carousel <Jemma> "The aria-roledescription property gives authors the ability to override how assistive technologies localize and express the name of a role...Users of these assistive technologies depend on the presentation of the role name, such as "region," "button," or "slider," for an understanding of the purpose of the element and, if it is a widget, how to interact with it." <Jemma> "Authors SHOULD limit use of aria-roledescription to clarifying the purpose of non-interactive container roles like group or region, or to providing a more specific description of a widget." Future meetings and other business MK: If people would please read this and provide comments I defined three different ones to give some variety There is nothing about aria-live in there yet but I’ll add that AA: Will you update when you’re done? 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