Re: SVG accessibility query

Hi Matt,

I was planning to read through SVG native spec with a cup of tea.  But it seems that I would not have the time for the reading. 😉

Yes. My understanding is that “the <title> and <desc> elements are the only non-ARIA way to specify an accessible name and description in SVG”

(I know there was some different opinion about using <title> attribute as the accessible name. However, that would not be a deal breaker discussion for the current topic.)

I will try to add some reference if I find anything.

Best,
Jemma


From: Matthew Atkinson <matkinson@tpgi.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 3:17 PM
To: Ku, JaEun Jemma <jku@uic.edu>
Cc: APA Chairs <group-apa-chairs@w3.org>, Matthew King <mck@fb.com>, James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com>, ARIA Editors <public-aria-editors@w3.org>
Subject: Re: SVG accessibility query
Thanks Jemma, all.

We're a little tight on time, so we have set out our Call for Consensus on our updated comment [1], but if you are able to let us know in due course if the <title> and <desc> elements are the only non-ARIA way to specify an accessible name and description in SVG, we can update our comment accordingly.

Thanks again, and best regards,


Matthew

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On 26/04/2022, 02:52, "Ku, JaEun Jemma" <jku@uic.edu> wrote:

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    Thanks for reaching out to me, Matthew.

    I will read through the comment on current draft and try to get back to you this week if possible.

    For time being, I am ccing this email to ARIA editors including Matt King, Co-chair of ARIA APG and James Nurthen, ARIA Chair.

    Best,
    Jemma





    From: Matthew Atkinson <matkinson@tpgi.com>
    Date: Sunday, April 24, 2022 12:15 PM
    To: Ku, JaEun Jemma <jku@uic.edu>
    Cc: APA Chairs <group-apa-chairs@w3.org>
    Subject: SVG accessibility query

    Hello Jemma,

    Alongside Janina Sajka, I'm one of the co-chairs of the W3C's Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Working Group. I'm told by Janina that you helped us out in the past by reviewing SVG for accessibility concerns. We are currently reviewing SVG Native [1] and came up with some concerns that we want to raise with the SVG group. We have a small technical question about SVG that we were hoping you might be able to answer for us - thanks in advance if so, and no worries if not.

    SVG Native is designed for displaying non-interactive images outside of web browsers. Our concern is that SVG Native removes the ability to provide an accessible name or description for an image. We are planning to ask that the <title> and <desc> elements be allowed in SVG Native, so that there is the possibility of exposing an accessible name and description. We are wondering if you would be able to confirm: is the <title> element the only way to provide an accessible name, and the <desc> element the only way to provide an accessible description for an SVG that doesn't involve the use of ARIA? ARIA attributes will not be supported in SVG Native, due to being outside of a browser. We are also not trying to provide alt text for parts of an image; just for the image as a whole.

    That was our question; if you want to get more background info on this, our current draft comment can be found on the APA list [2].

    Thanks for your time,

    best regards,


    Matthew

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