Minutes for August 8, 2024 ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group Weekly Teleconference

Hi everyone,

Here are the minutes from today's meeting:

https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-aria-at-minutes.html


Oddly, that log omits final 10 minutes of our conversation; I've copied 
that from my IRC client and included it below (cleaned up a bit for 
easier reading).

Thanks,

Mike Pennisi, Bocoup

(15:54:18) Matt_King: The only part of this that is not completely clear 
from Vispero's feedback is the difference between leaving an assertion 
out and including it as optional
(15:54:58) James_Scholes: I think the optional assertion communicates 
the idea that we're okay with it, and I don't think we want to do that here
(15:55:58) Joe_Humbert: Would this impact other behaviors that are "may"?
(15:56:17) James_Scholes: there is always space for this project to do 
"consistency sweeps"
(15:57:04) Matt_King: I think Vispero is asking us to be consistent with 
the way we test Insert+Tab and Insert+Up across all tests. It would 
definitely effect "radio group" and maybe "slider" and "menu button"
(15:57:40) Matt_King: I implemented this change in the "menu button" 
test plan. For the "insert+up", I left speaking the position as "may", 
but I removed the assertions about speaking the name of the containing 
menu and the role of the containing menu
(15:57:56) Matt_King: I think that as we are running the test plan, that 
we are thinking about what we really want
(15:58:19) James_Scholes: My view is a bit extreme because I don't think 
a "say line" command should always speak the role
(16:00:31) jugglinmike: If what we're actually saying is that we believe 
the extra information is excessive, then do we instead need a "SHOULD 
NOT" assertion here, then?
(16:00:54) Matt_King: We may have an assertion like that, 
already--something that reads "Does not convey" or similar
(16:04:05) Matt_King: In terms of this feedback, I think we're aligned 
with Vispero. There is a minor implementation detail on which we may 
want to get their feedback.
(16:04:40) Matt_King: I'm happy to make a patch to "radio group" in 
order to drive this conversation forward