Minutes : ARIA-AT call - Wednesday 2020-05-20

Here is the ARIA AT meeting minutes.
https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html


ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
20 May 2020
Attendees
Present
Matt_King, Jemma, Joe_Humbert, Michael_Fairchild, Jongund, Rob-fentress, simon, yohta
Regrets
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
Jemma
Contents

  *   Topics<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#agenda>
     *   Issue 188 Global Accessibility Awareness Day comms<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#item01>
     *   Issue 162 Need volunteers for Pilot test - May 27-June 2<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#item02>
     *   Issue 52 Create tests for APG design pattern: checkbox<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#item03>
     *   Issue 53 Create tests for APG example: Editable Combobox With Both List and Inline Autocomplete<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#item04>
     *   menubar<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#item05>
  *   Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  *   Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/20-aria-at-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

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<Matt_King> rrasagent, make log public
scribe?
Issue 188 Global Accessibility Awareness Day comms
<scribe> scribe: Jemma
Boucoup's comm team is working on the event
simon: writing blog post, twitter msg and we send an email to community group tomorrow.
also reaching out to stakeholders, google, mozila, and ask about this project on Thursday.
heads up for any communication coordination - we can retweet those.
blog post will be under Boucoup
mck: any contact to w3c education group?
... will you share the doc so that we can be retweeted by different group, deque, u of i, and so on
<Joe_Humbert> please send to me as well
jon, michale, we can share the news our social media group.
Issue 162 Need volunteers for Pilot test - May 27-June 2
simon: moving this piolot to another week.
we need some testing for pilot test
usablity test does not need to be rescheduled.
if you have any feedback, please update the issue.
I added instruction to issue 162
<zcorpan> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/162

jon: we may need to add more details to help testers.
rob: what should I as the tester do?
simon: people can ask questions via irc or add comments to the issues
?: is version settled down regarding the test?
simon: firefox is ready
<Joe_Humbert> Joe asked about version
<zcorpan> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/116#issuecomment-624673182

https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/116

mck: chrome 81 is for sure
... Regarding AT version, I want to be more precise
simon: JAWS 2020.2004.66 - April 2020
NVDA 2019.3.1
macOS 10.15.4
Windows 10 1909, OS build 18363.815
Chrome 81.0.4044.138
Firefox 76.0
Safari 13.1
<Matt_King> SP: AssistiveLabs is possible option for pilot testing, and Simon will provide help with a beta test account if necessary.
simon; we will set up remote the system which has all the browaser and screenread version like that of browser stack
joe: there is recent release for NVDA for 4 days ago
mck: we don't wnat to use 2019 of NVDA version
joe: we just need to make sure that the testers have correct version for the testing
michael: we can collect different version of widows to see the different of test results
mck: mac os - version of os, screen reader are directly connected.
Issue 52 Create tests for APG design pattern: checkbox
simon: I will work on fixing check box issue.
mck: we can unlink between screen reader and pilot testing
simon: I meant prototype, not pilot
mck: two things: 1. consensus on test plan from screen reader developers 2. running pilot test using ARIA-AT app
... it would be ok to use draft version of test for pilot
joe: you may want to notify to testers that this is pilot which will not be used .
mck: we dont have a way to move one test to another test cycle yet. we may do it mannualy.
Issue 53 Create tests for APG example: Editable Combobox With Both List and Inline Autocomplete
menubar
issue 54
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/54

https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/190

When is not set using setup scripts NVDA is in review mode, but the instructions for the interaction tests tell people to press Escape key which does nothing.
When focus is set using setup scripts NVDA is in interaction mode, but the instructions for the interaction tests tell people to press NVDA+Space which switches to browse mode.
When focus is set using setup scripts JAWS is in PC Cursor mode, but the instructions for the interaction tests tell people to press INSERT+Z which switches to Virtual PC Cursor mode.
The changing states of radio and checkbox menu items close the popup menus and moves focus to corresponding menu item in the menubar, so viewing the changed state requires reopening the popup menu.
JAWS Touch Cursor provides role, state and accessible name. where virtual cursor only reads accessible name
mf: jon may mean "when focus is not set " for first item
jon: when we set focus in NVDA, the problem happens
beep sound indifcate something and put people in the wrong mode
<zcorpan> (I've added a section "What will happen with the pilot test results?" in https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/162)
mck: Testers don't know different sounds whethere it is focus mode or reading(?) mode
... it is litte bizzare to distinguish which mode you are in the screen reader.
in NVDA
does any one know about what is the short cut command for different reading modes?
<jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/blob/master/tests/resources/at-commands.mjs

<zcorpan> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/blob/master/tests/resources/keys.mjs

jon: every tester group has own command but it is mapped to common command
... menubar case, if one menu item is selected, it will close the menu unlike radio button
mck: those assertions will be deleted.
jon: if you want to read current information in Jaws, virtual mode, menuitem it would not read role item, only it says status, cheecked or not
mck: interaction mode, in jaws, it just tells you a name, "menu", told you "you are leaving menu", speaking a role can be optional
jon: JAWS only tell you the status only, not role name.
... NVDA, it tells you the role name, menu, how many menu items are there so on.
mck: radio group case can be more clearer in comparison to Menu
mf: how about system level?
jon: we are using vitural cursor mode for test, but if we use touch cursor mode, we can get all these info.
mck: the reason for differences in virtual vs touch is that touch needs more informations
... we have to test utterance against one action, not a series of actions.
jon: 2) I can change harness test so that we can put more instrutions using pipe character. do you want to have separate PR?
<Joe_Humbert> I have to drop
mck: let
's keep one PR
mck: mode instrcutions
jon: mode instruciton is hard coded
other references are not
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/blob/master/tests/resources/keys.mjs

mck: if you can create PR for keys.mjs and I can merge and update mode instruction
MF: I will do that.
mck: we are not going to have time to discuss menubar before the pilot test.
jon: we are pulling change state out, it will be ok.
Jon and Matt will meet this Friday to work on key.mjs file.

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