- From: Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 20:27:55 +0000
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Link to minutes: https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html [W3C]<http://www.w3.org/> - DRAFT - ARIA and Assistive Technology Community Group 29 Jul 2020 Agenda<https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AAgenda%2B> Attendees Present Matt_King, Jemma, Joe_Humbert, Jon Gunderson, Hadi Rangin, Bob Fentress, Michael Fairchild Regrets Chair Matt King Scribe jongund Contents * Topics<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#agenda> * Access for Hadi and students<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#item01> * Bocoup update<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#item02> * Open pull requests<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#item03> * key.mjs file<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#item04> * Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#ActionSummary> * Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-aria-at-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary> ________________________________ <rob_fentress> present Access for Hadi and students <Matt_King> Hadi can't log into aria-at.w3.org <Matt_King> MK: what's required is membership in the tester's team in github <Matt_King> mk: have to be member of w3 org <Matt_King> Hadi: I have joined group formally jongund scribe: jongund jongund jongund: Hadi and students can't login to aria-at.w3.org jongund MK: Must be on the tester team jongund Jemma: Simon adds people to tester team jongund MK: I think I can and Michael can add people to the team jongund Hadi: I am a member of this group jongund MK: He needs to be in the w3c org jongund MK: There should be some information on the wiki jongund MK: ... reviewing current members jongund MK: It is not everyone who did testing jongund Jemma: Simon took github handles and added them jongund .. discussion of various teams ... jongund MK: We need to add you to a gitub team <scribe> ACTION: MK will add Hadi to testing Bocoup update MK: I have budget for the 40 weeks on rest of the year for Bocoup time ... So part of that work will be V2 of aria-at app ... Use case prioritization for V2 ... We could discuss that today ... We have some usability feedback, also identify missing features ... Prototyping screen reader automation ... We will pick one or two screen reader with prototyping automation ... This will take a long time, so this is just a starting place ... A certain amount of this time will the APG design work ... Other piece of Bocoup update ... Face book is committed to the project ... By the end of 2023 there will be 5 screen readers know how they work with every APG patterns ... I didn't say a specific browsers, the NVDA, JAWS, VO on macOS, VO iOS and Talkback on Android Hadi: I would like to discuss adding Narrator to the list MK: No screen reader is excluded, for example Orca and Narrator can be included, but Facebook is committed to the first 5 mentioned ... I am trying to give a clear outcome for the Facebook investiment ... Facebook is willing to support the vision RF: Do you think Microsoft would be willing to support MK: I would not recommend talking to other companies right now, I am working on a plan ... The team that we have and the state we are in, we have limited resources to bring in more screen readers Hadi: The landscape of screen readers users is changing, within a year Narrator may become much be more popular ... I suggest we at least invite them, and maybe they can become a good player <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AAgenda%2B Hadi: They are doing custom changes that every browser can benefit from MK: This is an open group, so people from Microsoft is welcome to participate ... Increasing scope to include Narrator will take more disucussion ... Bocoup will return around August 17th ... Bocoup may participate in August 12th meeting Open pull requests <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/284 https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/284 MK: can JG look at this one too <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/283 https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/283 MF: I request the HTML files be rebuilt BF: I did that MF: I will review MK: Simon requested the generated files in the pull request not be included ... Generated files a useful for testing the test cases, but when you merge that the generated files are ignored ... We need to right a rule to ignore HTML files in the test case directory ... Do we need to put in a .gitignore in each direcorty MF: There are some other ways by restructuring the project MK: There is a part of me that ..., the CSV files are the source and we are doing a make MF: The .gitignore is kind of hacky ... I would need to do some investigation on the test harness to know who the commit could be use to generate the files MK: I am going to create a use case of the issue ... We don't what them ignored in the GH pages MF: If there is no build process.. MK: We have a build process MF: We need a larger discussion with Bocoup ... We just need to do what we are doing now MK: We have 4 changed files and there were no conflicts ... We just keep going along as we are until we can figure out a better way ... We need to prioritize test writing and make sure the test are easy for people to review ... MF will look at 383 https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/272 MF: It is improving validation and JG approved ... Should I merge? MK: OK to merge MF: I will do it right now https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/267 MFL This would have been caught if we had the validotor MK: Merge this too MF: Merged ... Lodash merged https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/266 MK: Merge this ... We can go back and rewrite some menu bar tests RF: We can change some shift+tab and tab commands https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/163 MF: I might just close this one ... Adjust commands to assign names to them MK: Same command could be used multiple tests? MF: Add additional information to each command about what it does key.mjs file <Joe_Humbert_> I have to jump off. Jon Gunderson get in touch will me so we can look at conflicts MK: In my view when you read through this thing, I feel we need to normailze it some how <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/blob/master/tests/resources/keys.mjs MK: looking at the file.. ... We have entries, like line 7, 8 and 9, control+option.... ... 9 is just both 7 and 8 ... This is for tests that require both 7 and 8 to work ... I think this getting out of control when we add more ATs, so we need to think about this file Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: MK will add Hadi to testing Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] ________________________________ Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm> version (CVS log<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/>) $Date: 2020/07/29 20:01:45 $ ________________________________ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision of Date Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Present: Matt_King Jemma Joe_Humbert No ScribeNick specified. Guessing ScribeNick: jongund Inferring Scribes: jongund Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AAgenda%2B WARNING: No date found! Assuming today. (Hint: Specify the W3C IRC log URL, and the date will be determined from that.) Or specify the date like this: <dbooth> Date: 12 Sep 2002 People with action items: add hadi mk will WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. You may need the "-implicitContinuations" option. WARNING: IRC log location not specified! (You can ignore this warning if you do not want the generated minutes to contain a link to the original IRC log.) [End of scribe.perl<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm> diagnostic output] Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., CPWA Coordinator of Accessible IT Group University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign 1207 S. 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