- From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
- Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 12:01:44 -0700
- To: public-aria-admin@w3.org
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I object to option being in this list too (for similar reasons to treeitem). We currently allow people to jump in and out of an "interaction" mode in order to allow them to interact with the child elements. If children presentational is added AT users will lose that ability. Regards, james On 5/24/2016 10:47 AM, Bryan Garaventa wrote: > > That’s fine with me, though I think we will need to have a different > proposal to deal with role=treeitem separately. > > The problem being that currently no embedded controls within treeitems > are accessible, since the role=tree widget is treated as one form field. > > E.G > > http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Trees/Tree%20(External%20XML)/demo.htm > <http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Trees/Tree%20%28External%20XML%29/demo.htm> > > (Reproduceable in Firefox using JAWS and NVDA) > > And it’s not clear how anything that is embedded within such controls > should be discoverable or even intuitively interacted with. > > Bryan Garaventa > > Accessibility Fellow > > SSB BART Group, Inc. > > bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com > > 415.624.2709 (o) > > www.SSBBartGroup.com > > *From:*Rich Schwerdtfeger [mailto:richschwer@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:47 AM > *To:* Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com> > *Cc:* Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>; ARIA Working Group > <public-aria-admin@w3.org> > *Subject:* Re: 48 hour Call For Consensus regarding Resolutions from > the May 19, 2016 ARIA Working Group meeting > > I agree. I sent out what was resolved at the meeting and had the same > thoughts but I was not on the call and was going to raise the same > exception. We will have the same issues we have with options and lists. > > +1 to keeping the proposal minus treeitem. > > Rich > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > > On May 24, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Bryan Garaventa > <bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com > <mailto:bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote: > > Currently role=treeitem is not a composite widget, and as such > nothing rendered within these containers is accessible. So not > including role=treeitem in this list will not solve this problem. > > Bryan Garaventa > > Accessibility Fellow > > SSB BART Group, Inc. > > bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com > <mailto:bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com> > > 415.624.2709 (o) > > www.SSBBartGroup.com <http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/> > > *From:*Fred Esch [mailto:fesch@us.ibm.com] > *Sent:*Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:21 AM > *To:*Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com > <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> > *Cc:*ARIA Working Group <public-aria-admin@w3.org > <mailto:public-aria-admin@w3.org>> > *Subject:*Re: 48 hour Call For Consensus regarding Resolutions > from the May 19, 2016 ARIA Working Group meeting > > Rich, > > I would like to see treeitem dropped from the list. No one wants > to use treegrid and we see UIs with trees of complex widgets which > should naturally use tree style navigation between the them. If we > include treeitem in the list then you would not be able to call > something a tree, that looks like a tree and you want it to > navigate like a tree, if the leaves were complex controls that a > user could choose to leave visible. Again, no one will ever call a > tree of complex widgets a treegrid when where there is no concept > of rows in the layout. > > Suggested solutions for a tree that are compatible with treeitem > only having presentational children are work arounds such as > having the widget appear in a dialog when you click the treeitem. > These 'solutions' are not be practical when you have flows, card > layouts, or block chains that have branching. We are seeing lots > of card layouts, block chains and relationships expressed in web > apps that would be negatively impacted by this restriction. > > Regards, > > Fred Esch > Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility > > <image001.png> > > > > Watson Release Management and Quality > > > > <image002.gif>Rich Schwerdtfeger ---05/23/2016 04:06:45 PM---This > is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to the Accessible Rich Internet > Applications (ARIA) Working Group > > From:Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com > <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> > To:ARIA Working Group <public-aria-admin@w3.org > <mailto:public-aria-admin@w3.org>> > Date:05/23/2016 04:06 PM > Subject:48 hour Call For Consensus regarding Resolutions from the > May 19, 2016 ARIA Working Group meeting > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to the Accessible Rich Internet > Applications (ARIA) Working Group regarding the following > resolutions of the ARIA Working group. > > 1. Add children presentational true to checkbox, menuitem, > menuitemcheckbox, menuitemradio, option, radio, spinbutton, > switch, tab, and treeitem in response to Issue 1006 > The meeting minutes are > here:https://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-aria-minutes.html > > If you object to this proposal, or have comments concerning it, > please respond by replying on list to this message no later than > 23:49 (midnight) Boston Time, Wednesday, May 25, 2016. > > Regards, > > Rich > > — > Rich Schwerdtfeger, Email:richschwer@gmail.com > <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com> > CTO Accessibility IBM Software:http://www.ibm.com.able > <http://www.ibm.com.able/> > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative > (WAI) > Chair, Accessible Rich Internet > Applicationshttps://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > > > > > > > -- Regards, James Oracle <http://www.oracle.com> James Nurthen | Principal Engineer, Accessibility Phone: +1 650 506 6781 <tel:+1%20650%20506%206781> | Mobile: +1 415 987 1918 <tel:+1%20415%20987%201918> | Video: james.nurthen@oracle.com <sip:james.nurthen@oracle.com> Oracle Corporate Architecture 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Cty, CA 94065 Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment
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