- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:12:38 -0400
- To: public-appformats@w3.org
The minutes from the WAF WG's May 22 Widgets voice conference are available at the following and copied below: <http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-waf-minutes.html> WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-appformats mail list before May 29; otherwise the minutes will be considered approved. -Regards, Art Barstow [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Web Application Formats Working Group Teleconference 22 May 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-appformats/ 2008May/0010.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-waf-irc Attendees Present Art, Marcos, Mike, Arve, Benoit Regrets Claudio Chair Art Scribe Art Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Review Agenda 2. [6]Announcements 3. [7]Localization model 4. [8]Auto Update 5. [9]P&C Feedback 6. [10]Media type registration 7. [11]Widget URI scheme 8. [12]Voice Conf schedule for June, July 9. [13]Next f2f * [14]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <marcosbot> he will and he did <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng: start meeting <MikeSmith> trackbot-ng, start meeting <trackbot-ng> Date: 22 May 2008 <arve> ArtB: will call in RSN <MikeSmith> ArtB: if you do "trackbot-ng, start meeting" it takes care of all other setup for you Regrests: Claudio <scribe> Scribe: Art <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB Review Agenda AB: agenda sent yesterday: [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-appformats/2008May/00 10.html ... any comments, suggested changes? [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-appformats/ 2008May/0010.html <marcosbot> cool music? [None] Announcements AB: charter update, Mike? MS: one comment said we should add something related to offline apps but we won't do that AB: our Charter expires 31 May MS: there will be YA extension ... one request said cross domain access should be in a separate WG with a short bounded scope ... not clear how that will be resolved ... regarding the location API, likely to put that in a separate WG ... expect an annoucement to the AC soon regarding the progress ... will give the AC another 3 weeks to submit comments MC: when will this process end? It's been going on for about 7 months! MS: I don't want to over estimate but it could take about two more months to get everything resolved ... there could be a high probablity to create a separate WG for the AC work MC: but the work is mostly done MS: but there isn't consensus about what should be specified AB: is the reality, the Team waiting for the July 1-3 AC/XDR meeting to occur before a decision is made? MS: that hasn't been raised ... but that could make sense to wait ... we will definitely get a charter extension so we can continue to publish documents Localization model AB: we've had comments from Addison Philips and David Clarke ... what is the status, Marcos? MC: the comments were very good. ... Addison has offered to contribute to the model AB: Mike, do we have to worry about IPR and Addison's contribution? ... he doesn't work for Yahoo! anymore, AFAIK ... and they aren't members of WAF WG <marcos_> MC: he works for Amazon <marcos_> MC:AFAIK MS: Addison is an Invited Expert ACTION Smith talk to Richard Ishida about IPR concerns with Addison Philips directly contributing to the Widgets P-and-C spec <scribe> ACTION: Smith talk to Richard Ishida about IPR concerns with Addison Philips directly contributing to the Widgets P-and-C spec [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-waf-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-177 - Talk to Richard Ishida about IPR concerns with Addison Philips directly contributing to the Widgets P-and-C spec [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2008-05-29]. <marcos_> He said "(personal comments follow)" MS: we need to be careful when people working for a company say "I'm just commenting as a citizen, not as a representative of my employer" AB: I agree with Mike ... I am a very poor judge about "what is patentable?" MS: agree; that's why I'll pursue this; should have some relevant feedback on this issue by our next Voice Conf MC: David Clarke proposed a slightly different model ... I responded it's a bit complicated ... It's a good idea, I just don't think we want to do what he suggests Presen+ Benoit AB: I thought Marcos' response to David Clarke made sense and I support it ... anyone else? [None] Auto Update AB: comment from Michael Davey ... [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-appformats/2008May/00 21.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-appformats/ 2008May/0021.html MC: I told him the existing model is quite old and needs to be updated AB: auto update is important but we don't have any new proposals MC: I can create an updated model ... we can leverage quite a bit from HTTP BS: I think we should continue to work on it ABe: agree we should continue; would go so far as to say it should be required <scribe> ACTION: Barstow send a link to Nokia Widget solution for updates [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-waf-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-178 - Send a link to Nokia Widget solution for updates [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-05-29]. AB: I found the document: [19]http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How-to_create_self-updatin g_WRT_widgets [19] http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How-to_create_self- updating_WRT_widgets P&C Feedback AB: Michael Davey submitted some comments ... [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-appformats/2008May/00 22.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-appformats/ 2008May/0022.html MC: I responded to all of Michael's comments ... I'm concerned about the Java model because it introduces a business model I'm not comfortable with AB: any comments on Marcos' response? ABe: I think some of what David proposed is more related to an implemenation detail and should be codified in the spec BS: yes I tend to agree; could have some non-normative text, perhaps MS: I think Marcos' response was good; don't want to add any new hurdles for the developers MC: the second comment was about making the config file the first file in the ZIP ... but that would require a special too; it also would affect the L10N model where an widget resource can have multiple config files AB: anything else from Michael's comments? MC: no Media type registration AB: we talked about this in Dublin but want to understand what needs to be done ... Marcos, do you need some help? MC: if someone wants to help, that'd be good AB: I can help or find someone in Nokia to help MC: the security considerations section is open Widget URI scheme AB: we now have a section in the P&C spec about the Widget URI scheme ... [21]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#the-widget1 [21] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#the-widget1 MC: could be helpful in cross-Widget communication ABe: also can be useful with DOM attributes ... need to specify syntax constraints ... Think requiring UUIDs is overkill; that should be an implemenation detail ... The main requirement is uniquness and UUIDs are one way to get the uniqueness MC: we could just say informatively, that UUID is one way to get uniqueness <marcos_> The current proposal is widget-URI = "widget:" "//" UUID "/" zip-relative-path MC: think it makes sense to specify something ABe: what would be gained? MC: guarantees a globaly unique identifier AB: but UUID is not the only way to achieve that MC: agree <marcos_> widget-URI = "widget:" "//" random "/" zip-relative-path ? ABe: yes, hashing could also be used ... I don't think we need to recommend anything specific MC: OK, I'll change the wording to something non-Normative <marcos_> widget-URI = "widget:" "//" random "/" name-of-widget MC: we may also want the name of the widget to be part of the URI scheme ABe: I don't see the value in adding the name ... doesn't really identify the widget <marcos_> widget://aaaadsfdaa/hello.wgt/image.png MC: could be useful (see above proposal) ABe: don't want to add redundant info <marcos_> widget://aaaadsfdaa/image.png ABe: could get name elsewhere <marcos_> widget://aaaadsfdaa/image.png <--- this is the final proposal AB: I think everyone should review this new scheme and submit comments ... any other comments about this scheme? [None] MC: I noticed there is a URI Scheme registrar ... what do we need to do? MS: similar to the Media type registration ... put it into the spec itself ... then we send it to the right IETF board and ask them for review and approval MC: OK ... I'll put all three proposals on the mail list to get broader feedback AB: should we include the TAG? MS: agree; let's get their input earlier rather than later ... worst case is they say "not in our scope" AB: this probably means some more work for Marcos MC: that's OK Voice Conf schedule for June, July AB: do we want to continue weekly calls? MC: yes BS: OK ABe: with summer coming, maybe we want to go every two weeks MC: OK with me AB: either way is OK with me Next f2f AB: I gathered quite a bit of data about people ... prefs but I haven't consolidated that info BS: and where? AB: Claudio has stated Telecom Italia can be a host BS: we can host Paris AB: before next VC I will review people's prefs and be ready at the May 29 call with a straw proposal ... meeting adjourned Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Barstow send a link to Nokia Widget solution for updates [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-waf-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Smith talk to Richard Ishida about IPR concerns with Addison Philips directly contributing to the Widgets P-and-C spec [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-waf-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes]
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