APA Minutes - 2025-07-23

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Prof. Dr. Gottfried Zimmermann
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                             - DRAFT -
                       APA Weekly Teleconference

23 Jul 2025

   [2]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2025/07/23-apa-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Fazio, Fredrik, Gottfried, janina, JenStrickland,
          JonCohn, matatk, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, PaulG

   Regrets
          Gottfried_Zimmerman

   Chair
          Matthew

   Scribe
          JenStrickland, Gottfried, matatk

Contents

    1. [3]Agenda Review & Announcements
    2. [4]TPAC 2025
    3. [5]Comment review requests (requiring attention)
         1. [6]Add hover/focus/long-press triggering delays to CSS
    4. [7]Comment review requests (in progress)
         1. [8]CSS Overflow Navigation Controls (Carousels)
         2. [9]Connect HTML spec up to new CSS `interactivity`
            property
    5. [10]CSS Update (Paul)

Meeting minutes

   Introductions amongst the group for new member, Tiffany.

   <JenStrickland> My internet is out and I'm on a hotspot. I'm
   not getting a strong enough signal to hear what people are
   saying, so I can't scribe after all.

   <Gottfried> I can take over, Jennifer.

   <Fazio> +1 great group

  Agenda Review & Announcements

   matatk: Upcoming presentation from Lola et al on Accessibility
   Compatibility Data

   <Fazio> I will be presenting on Maturity Model at AAATE

   Gottfried: AAATE conference in Cyprus

   [11]https://aaate2025.eu/

     [11] https://aaate2025.eu/

   <Fazio> [12]https://aaate2025.eu/
   world-wide-web-consortium-w3c-accessibility-maturity-model/

     [12] https://aaate2025.eu/world-wide-web-consortium-w3c-accessibility-maturity-model/

   matatk: Vote on APA re-charter, decision hopefully next week by
   AC
   ... Our current charter expires next month.
   ... Hopefully no problem for invited experts.

  TPAC 2025

   [13]https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/registration.html

     [13] https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/registration.html

   matatk: Registration is open. Fee waver for invited experts.
   Also W3C fund for inviting experts for other costs.

   [14]w3c/tpac2025-breakouts

     [14] https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts

   matatk: Call for breakout sessions. Apply if you have something
   new to say since last TPAC.
   ... Time slots on Wed and other days this time.

   [15]https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/schedule.html

     [15] https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/schedule.html

   <Fazio> We don't have any Maturity Model Meetings scheduled

   Fazio: APA sessions?

   matatk: There is some working time scheduled, we (APA) might
   use it.
   ... We did not ask for a group meeting for us, but we can discuss
   on proposing a breakout.

  Comment review requests (requiring attention)

    Add hover/focus/long-press triggering delays to CSS

   [16]w3c/a11y-review#205

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/205

   matatk: We hadn't looked at it in detail, but now closed. They
   changed its name.
   ... Addition to a pop-over feature.
   ... Any concerns?

   PaulG: Hover delays are reasonable.

   matatk: Better way to do what you can already so.
   ... We can close it.

  Comment review requests (in progress)

    CSS Overflow Navigation Controls (Carousels)

   source: [17]w3ctag/design-reviews#1037

     [17] https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/1037

   tracking: [18]w3c/a11y-review#242

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/242

   matatk: TAG is working on a comment on this issue.
   ... Accessibility community raised concerns.
   ... They made the CSS inert property value the same as in HTML.
   ... Other concerning things.
   ... We might want to ask for some more specific parts.

    Connect HTML spec up to new CSS `interactivity` property

   source: [19]whatwg/html#10956

     [19] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10956

   tracking: [20]w3c/a11y-review#231

     [20] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/231

   matatk: Will this allow to accidentally break the uninert of
   subtrees?

   Here's a comment that may answer the question about
   un-inerting: [21]whatwg/html#10956 (comment)

     [21] https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/10956#issuecomment-2884388886

   matatk: Can somebody else look at this?

   <JenStrickland> matatk I can't find my comment on it.

   matatk: This is must about making CSS and HTML behave the same
   on inertness.
   ... Please look at tracking issues in APA repository, and discuss
   them first here among us. Later, we can post them to the
   mailing list.

   JenStrickland: I will take a look at the issue of uninerting
   ... Looking at it quickly, inertness seems to be determined by
   the host language. How can accessibility concerns be taken care
   of?
   ... Can somebody like Steve look at this?

   matatk: It depends whether the inert attribute takes
   precedence.

   <PaulG> [22]https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/
   10956#discussion_r2096188289

     [22] https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/10956#discussion_r2096188289

   <PaulG> "host language" is HTML

   JenStrickland: As long as HTML is prioritized over CSS, seems
   okay.

  CSS Update (Paul)

   No updates

   matatk: Accessibility guidance on anchor positioning - please
   contribute on this

   [23]w3c/a11y-review#230

     [23] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/230


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   Succeeded: s/inert/uninert

   Maybe present: source, tracking

   All speakers: Fazio, Gottfried, JenStrickland, matatk, PaulG,
   source, tracking

   Active on IRC: Fazio, Fredrik, Gottfried, janina,
   JenStrickland, JonCohn, matatk, mike_beganyi, niklasegger,
   PaulG