Minutes of APA call on 2024-05-08

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Best regards,
Gottfried

   [1]W3C

      [1] https://www.w3.org/

                             - DRAFT -
                       APA Weekly Teleconference

08 May 2024

   [2]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Fazio, Fredrik, Gottfried, janina, matatk, mike_beganyi,
          NehaJ, Nichole, PaulG

   Regrets
          Niklas_Egger

   Chair
          janina, matthew

   Scribe
          Gottfried, janina, matatk, NehaJ

Contents

    1. [3]Agenda Review & Announcements
    2. [4]TPAC 2024 Planning Begins
    3. [5]CSS View Transitions w3c/a11y-review#192
    4. [6]New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/
       issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+
       requested%22
    5. [7]EAA and Ebook Requirements
    6. [8]HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/
       horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
         1. [9][mediaqueries-5] `prefers-interaction-side` media
            query & `interaction-side` property
    7. [10]Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/
       a11y-request/issues
         1. [11]Ethical Web Principles
    8. [12]Task Force & Deliverables Updates
    9. [13]Summary of resolutions

Meeting minutes

   <janina> /join #rqtf

   scott: Started adding content noting there are so many possible
   directions

   scott: We'll need to scope re a11y

   scott: working on identifying main players and how they're
   supporting pwd

   scott: process is key -- have started notes on what would be
   beneficial

   scott: e.g. alt text; already tools that do that

   scott: some app environments do better than others with that

   raja: The a-i interpreter is just not ready in any way

   scott: Could it help? Potentially

   Oops!

   Date 08 May 2024

   < janina> scott: Started adding content noting there are so
   many possible directions

   < janina> scott: We'll need to scope re a11y

   < janina> scott: working on identifying main players and how
   they're supporting pwd

   < janina> scott: process is key -- have started notes on what
   would be beneficial

   < janina> scott: e.g. alt text; already tools that do that

   < janina> scott: some app environments do better than others
   with that

   < janina> q+ to suggest users should be able to specify their
   preferred ai * Zakim sees janina on the speaker queue

   < janina> present+ Raja * Roy janina, I guess you are in wrong
   channel

   < janina> raja: The a-i interpreter is just not ready in any
   way

   < janina> scott: Could it help? Potentially

   /join #rqtf

   meeting

   meeting?

  Agenda Review & Announcements

   Gottfried: Workshop on collaborative editing, [14]https://
   ws-a11y-muc2024.wineme.wiwi.uni-siegen.de/

     [14] https://ws-a11y-muc2024.wineme.wiwi.uni-siegen.de/

   <janina> APA's Collaborative Tools work is here:

   <janina> [15]https://w3c.github.io/ctaur/

     [15] https://w3c.github.io/ctaur/

   Gottfried: CTAUR could be a good intro into the workshop

   janina: This document is close to publication. We need a wider
   community review. Will probably be finalized in July.

  TPAC 2024 Planning Begins

   janina: We need to get a Wiki page started.
   ... Active request from media interest group.
   ... Revisit our minutes from last year. What do we want to
   achieve with them?
   ... We could talk about things such as AI

   matatk: Deadline for us to tell organizers is looming.
   ... Break-out might be useful for dissemination of APA results.

  CSS View Transitions [16]w3c/a11y-review#192

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192

   <matatk> gb, off

   <gb> matatk, issues and names were already off.

   <matatk> [17]w3c/a11y-review#192

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192

   matatk: Peter Linz raised this issue.
   ... View transitions should be disablable
   ... The question is how to do this.
   ... Media query is for reduced motion, not "no motion".

   <Fazio> ask that phd student that presented to us

   matatk: TAG discussed this.
   ... Do we want to see a resolution to this issue? (Tag
   "a11y-needs-resolution")
   ... If i receive no objection, i will put that label on.

   (no objection)

   janina: Mechanism how to do this is not important for us.

   Fazio: Remember the presentation we had on Media Queries from a
   few years back: [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples

     [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples

   RESOLUTION: APA would like to see view transitions disablable.

   <Fazio> Thx Matt. It's a really goood presentation

  New Charters Review [19]https://github.com/w3c/strategy/
  issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%2
  2

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Horizontal+review+requested<https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:%22Horizontal+review+requested>"

  EAA and Ebook Requirements

   Gottfried as per latest european a11y act says ebooks should
   follow WCAG 2.0

   Gottfried WCAG 2.0 A level compliance discripancy between
   ebooks , pdf and epub

   Gottfried changes in the act may take longer time

   Gottfried goal is to comply with WCAG 2.2 AA

   janina focus should be can we resolve this discripancy

   acj janina

   <Zakim> janina, you wanted to suggest we need to bring in epu
   a11y people for options based on what's achievable

   <Fazio> Turkey requires ebook accessibility for all new
   publications

   PaulG ebooks are covered under products section

   PaulG links for discripancy may be helpful to recheck

   janina links are added in email thread

   Gottfried EAA applies to b2c and not for b2b

   Discussion on APA email list here: [20]https://lists.w3.org/
   Archives/Public/public-apa/2024May/0006.html

     [20] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2024May/0006.html

   Gottfried point should be a11y standards should be same for
   epub and pdf

   Here is the exempt for ebooks:

   [21]https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/enorm/mandate/
   587_en

     [21] https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/enorm/mandate/587_en

   Document: [22]https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/
   documents-register/detail?ref=C%282022%296456&lang=en

     [22] https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/documents-register/detail?ref=C(2022)6456&lang=en

   page 2: "In line with feedback received from European
   Publishers and confirmed by representative organizations of
   persons with disabilities referring to the availability of EPUB
   accessibility technical specifications under W3C e-books and
   dedicated software should be excluded from this request."

   janina that's not what W3C agreed to - my recollection is there
   was an exemption for small publishers only

  HR A11y Review Comment Tracker [23]https://w3c.github.io/
  horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

     [23] https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

   Roy: Request for comments from CSS

    [mediaqueries-5] `prefers-interaction-side` media query
    & `interaction-side` property

   <Roy> - issue: [24]w3c/csswg-drafts#10244

     [24] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10244

   PaulG: Very interesting read. Very specific use cases.
   Ultra-wide monitors, but proper JS eventing needed, because
   changing orientation is more complicated.
   ... If you have other use cases or ideas, should be added.

   matatk: Operating systems and software have catered for
   ultra-wide monitors. MacOS, Unix, InkScape, ... This needs to
   be supported in the native app. On the Web, we don't have that
   restriction.
   ... Scope creep?
   ... Long thread, but good diagrams.
   ... Two issues: (1) General preference of where the active
   controls should be. (2) Purposely reposition a toolbar due to
   preferences. Can we solve both issues with this?

  Explicit Review Requests [25]https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/
  issues

     [25] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

   Roy: Nothing

   matatk: There is something old.

    Ethical Web Principles

   [26]w3c/a11y-request#75

     [26] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/75

   matatk: We got good feedback on privacy principles from TAG.
   Now focus on ethical web principles.
   ... Many ways of embodying these principles - more general.
   ... Let us know if you have feedback.
   ... For feedback, use our mailing list. We need to wrap this
   review up as quickly as we can.
   ... We are looking for high-level feedback. Is there anything
   important missing?
   ... Let's talk about it next week.
   ... The UN recently mentioned the TAG's ethical web principles.

  Task Force & Deliverables Updates

   janina: Still activity of FAST tf.
   ... I will follow up on this with Michael Cooper.
   ... This is an area of ongoing interest - good to see this happen
   in the community group.

Summary of resolutions

    1. [27]APA would like to see view transitions disablable.


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Diagnostics

   Succeeded: s/it is not correct as per WCAG/that's not what W3C
   agreed to - my recollection is there was an exemption for small
   publishers only/

   Maybe present: Document, raja, Roy, scott

   All speakers: Document, Fazio, Gottfried, janina, matatk,
   PaulG, raja, Roy, scott

   Active on IRC: Fazio, Fredrik, Gottfried, janina, matatk,
   mike_beganyi, NehaJ, Nichole, PaulG, Roy