Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards

I think I can make this meeting with the APA on the 19th which would be right before our Maturity Model call I believe.


Thanks

Charles

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Cc: Gregorio Pellegrino <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>; 'Avneesh Singh' <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org>; 'Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA' <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
Subject: RE: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards

Hi,

I have a 90 minute call with BISG on accessibility metadata. I could let
them know that I will be delayed and join them after our call. If we could
get our discussion in first, that would work for me.

Best
George


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 7:55 AM
To: Gottfried Zimmermann <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>
Cc: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA
<gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>; Avneesh Singh
<avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
<public-apa@w3.org>; Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA
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Subject: Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
standards

Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
> Unfortunately, i have many conflicts with APA calls in the next weeks.
Dear All:

Gottfried is suggesting the 19th. Does that work for everyone? Please reply
all regarding your availability for 10 AM Boston time on Wednesday
19 June. Here's a Time and Date link to provide the localized time:

http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=APA+Teleconference&iso=
20240619T10&p1=43&ah=1


Thanks all!

Janina

>
> But I can make the APA call on Wed June 19 if that helps.
>
> Best regards,
> Gottfried
>
> Von: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA
> <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2024 08:29
> An: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
> Cc: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; Gottfried Zimmermann
> <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> <public-apa@w3.org>; Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA
> <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
> Betreff: R: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> standards
>
> Dear Janina,
> as anticipated we are available to talk about this topic at one of the
upcoming APA meetings, could you please tell us what are the dates of the
appointments you have set in June?
>
> Thank you,
> Gregorio
>
> Da: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 13:40
> A: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA
> <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org<mailto:gregorio.pellegrino@fond
> azionelia.org>>
> Cc: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>,
> 'Gottfried Zimmermann'
> <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>, 'W3C WAI Accessible
> Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>,
> Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA
> <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org<mailto:cristina.mussinelli@fond
> azionelia.org>>
> Oggetto: Re: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> standards Thanks to all on this thread. Early June is certainly possible
for APA.
>
> Please note that APA will want more than an informational update. We'd
> like to see outcomes that result in accessible content. It's
> unfortunately hard to see WCAG level A from a recommendation that
> closed long before HTML 5 work even began in W3C as adequate more than
> a decade after HTML 5 became a recommendation in W3C. I understand
> we're talking about epub and not HTML. I'm trying to emphasize how old 2.0
is.
>
> Best,
> Janina
>
>
> Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA writes:
> > Thank you Avneesh for involving me in this discussion, with my colleague
Cristina we would be happy to update you during one of the upcoming APA
calls about the state of the art on the work on standards for ebooks in
European Accessibility Act. These weeks we are caught up with several book
fairs and work travels, so we would ask the chairs to schedule the meeting
in early June, if possible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gregorio
> >
> > Da: Avneesh Singh
> > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> > Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 08:07
> > A: 'Gottfried Zimmermann'
> > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>, 'Janina Sajka'
> > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>, Gregorio Pellegrino
> > - Fondazione LIA
> > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org<mailto:gregorio.pellegrino@fo
> > ndazionelia.org>>
> > Oggetto: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> > standards
> >
> > Thanks for bringing in this perspective.
> > I am copying Gregorio, our team member who is in discussion with EU for
these requirements.
> > Gregorio, Please go through the following email from Gottfried.
> > One of the main goal of EPUB Accessibility 1.1 was to align it with EAA.
But, if there are still possibilities of such complexities,  then we should
figure out appropriate solution.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Avneesh
> > From: Gottfried Zimmermann
> > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:29 AM
> > To: Avneesh Singh
> > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>; 'Janina Sajka'
> > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> > Subject: AW: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> > standards
> >
> >
> > Citing https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/REC-epub-a11y-11-20230525/, section
3.3.1 WCAG conformance requirements:
> >
> >
> >
> > To conform to this specification, an EPUB publication:
> >
> > ·         MUST, at the minimum, meet the requirements of WCAG 2.0
[wcag20], but it is strongly recommended that it meet the requirements of
the latest recommended version of WCAG 2.
> >
> > ·         MUST, for whichever version of WCAG 2 selected, meet the
requirements of Level A, but it is strongly recommended that it meet the
requirements of Level AA.
> >
> >
> >
> > For legal conformance, the MUST statement above is the only legal
requirement; any recommendation is not legally relevant, even if it is
strong. The publishers in Europe will resort to a minimum conformance, which
is conformance to WCAG 2.0 single-A.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Gottfried
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Avneesh Singh
> > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@
> > gmail.com%3cmailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>>
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Mai 2024 13:48
> > An: 'Janina Sajka'
> > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.
> > net%3cmailto:janina@rednote.net>>>; Gottfried Zimmermann
> > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@z
> > i7n.de%3cmailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>>
> > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org
> > %3cmailto:public-apa@w3.org>>>
> > Betreff: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> > standards
> >
> >
> >
> > ">   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement),
whereas
> >
> > EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA"
> >
> >
> >
> > I should correct this misperception.
> >
> > EPUB Accessibility 1.1 refers to the latest version of WCAG, which is
currently 2.2. In case there is WCAG 2.3 or 2.4 in future, EPUB
accessibility will refer to it.
> >
> > We do allow EPUB Accessibility 1.1 to refer to WCAG 2.0, in case some
publisher needs it, but it is not a recommended practice.
> >
> > We fixed this in EPUB Accessibility 1.1, released in May 2023.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Avneesh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Janina Sajka
> > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.
> > net%3cmailto:janina@rednote.net>>>
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:01 PM
> >
> > To: Gottfried Zimmermann
> > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@z
> > i7n.de%3cmailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>>
> >
> > Cc: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures
> > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org
> > %3cmailto:public-apa@w3.org>>>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> > standards
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Gottfried:
> >
> >
> >
> > We can and should discuss this topic in APA. Let's look for a suitable
date a bit later in May? Perhaps 15 May? Later in the month also works.
> >
> >
> >
> > For context please note that APA is also requested to review a fixed
layout Epub draft specification here:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/fxl-a11y/
> >
> >
> >
> > A preliminary discussion of this Epub spec occured in APA on 17 April
and is logged here:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.w3.org/2024/04/17-apa-minutes.html#t05
> >
> >
> >
> > Note we were considering whether the json graph data visualization
approach developed in a W3C Community Group might provide a solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Janina
> >
> >
> >
> > Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
> >
> > > Hi APA,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > i want to bring to your attention a problem with regards to ebook
> >
> > accessibility that we are facing in Europe next year, when the European
Accessibility Act kicks in.  The point is that the EAA makes a difference
between ebooks in EPUB3 vs. ebooks in PDF. Therefore, the two following
standards are relevant, when it comes to compliance of ebooks to EAA:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >   *   For ebooks in EPUB3: W3C EPUB Accessibility
> >
> > 1.1<EPUB%20Accessibility%201.1>
> >
> > >   *   For ebooks in PDF: EN 301 549 v4.1.1 (coming)
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Here is a summary of the main differences between the two standards:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement),
whereas
> >
> > EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA
> >
> > >   *   EPUB Accessibility includes metadata for discoverability, but EN
301
> >
> > 549 not currently.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > A group of accessibility experts (including me) has met a couple
> > > of
> >
> > > times
> >
> > to discuss this problem. The result of our discussions is attached as
"Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards".  We want a
consolidation of standards for ebook accessibility, so that publishers do
not need to make a difference between ebooks in EPUB3 and ebooks in PDF
format.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Can we discuss this in one of our upcoming meetings?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Best regards,
> >
> > > Gottfried
> >
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