R: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards

Dear Janina,
as anticipated we are available to talk about this topic at one of the upcoming APA meetings, could you please tell us what are the dates of the appointments you have set in June?

Thank you,
Gregorio

Da: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 13:40
A: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>
Cc: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>, 'Gottfried Zimmermann' <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>, 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org>, Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
Oggetto: Re: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards
Thanks to all on this thread. Early June is certainly possible for APA.

Please note that APA will want more than an informational update. We'd
like to see outcomes that result in accessible content. It's
unfortunately hard to see WCAG level A from a recommendation that closed
long before HTML 5 work even began in W3C as adequate more than a decade
after HTML 5 became a recommendation in W3C. I understand we're talking
about epub and not HTML. I'm trying to emphasize how old 2.0 is.

Best,
Janina


Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA writes:
> Thank you Avneesh for involving me in this discussion, with my colleague Cristina we would be happy to update you during one of the upcoming APA calls about the state of the art on the work on standards for ebooks in European Accessibility Act. These weeks we are caught up with several book fairs and work travels, so we would ask the chairs to schedule the meeting in early June, if possible.
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> Thanks,
> Gregorio
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> Da: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>
> Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 08:07
> A: 'Gottfried Zimmermann' <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>
> Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org>, 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>, Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>
> Oggetto: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards
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> Thanks for bringing in this perspective.
> I am copying Gregorio, our team member who is in discussion with EU for these requirements.
> Gregorio, Please go through the following email from Gottfried.
> One of the main goal of EPUB Accessibility 1.1 was to align it with EAA. But, if there are still possibilities of such complexities,  then we should figure out appropriate solution.
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> Thanks
> Avneesh
> From: Gottfried Zimmermann <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:29 AM
> To: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org>; 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
> Subject: AW: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards
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> Citing https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/REC-epub-a11y-11-20230525/, section 3.3.1 WCAG conformance requirements:
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> To conform to this specification, an EPUB publication:
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> ·         MUST, at the minimum, meet the requirements of WCAG 2.0 [wcag20], but it is strongly recommended that it meet the requirements of the latest recommended version of WCAG 2.
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> ·         MUST, for whichever version of WCAG 2 selected, meet the requirements of Level A, but it is strongly recommended that it meet the requirements of Level AA.
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> For legal conformance, the MUST statement above is the only legal requirement; any recommendation is not legally relevant, even if it is strong. The publishers in Europe will resort to a minimum conformance, which is conformance to WCAG 2.0 single-A.
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> Best regards,
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> Gottfried
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Mai 2024 13:48
> An: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>; Gottfried Zimmermann <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>
> Betreff: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards
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> ">   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement), whereas
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> EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA"
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> I should correct this misperception.
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> EPUB Accessibility 1.1 refers to the latest version of WCAG, which is currently 2.2. In case there is WCAG 2.3 or 2.4 in future, EPUB accessibility will refer to it.
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> We do allow EPUB Accessibility 1.1 to refer to WCAG 2.0, in case some publisher needs it, but it is not a recommended practice.
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> We fixed this in EPUB Accessibility 1.1, released in May 2023.
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> Thanks
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> Avneesh
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
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> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:01 PM
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> To: Gottfried Zimmermann <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
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> Cc: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>
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> Subject: Re: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards
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> Dear Gottfried:
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> We can and should discuss this topic in APA. Let's look for a suitable date a bit later in May? Perhaps 15 May? Later in the month also works.
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> For context please note that APA is also requested to review a fixed layout Epub draft specification here:
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> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/fxl-a11y/
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> A preliminary discussion of this Epub spec occured in APA on 17 April and is logged here:
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> https://www.w3.org/2024/04/17-apa-minutes.html#t05
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> Note we were considering whether the json graph data visualization approach developed in a W3C Community Group might provide a solution.
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> Best,
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> Janina
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> Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
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> > Hi APA,
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> > i want to bring to your attention a problem with regards to ebook
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> accessibility that we are facing in Europe next year, when the European Accessibility Act kicks in.  The point is that the EAA makes a difference between ebooks in EPUB3 vs. ebooks in PDF. Therefore, the two following standards are relevant, when it comes to compliance of ebooks to EAA:
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> >   *   For ebooks in EPUB3: W3C EPUB Accessibility
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> >   *   For ebooks in PDF: EN 301 549 v4.1.1 (coming)
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> > Here is a summary of the main differences between the two standards:
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> >   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement), whereas
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> EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA
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> >   *   EPUB Accessibility includes metadata for discoverability, but EN 301
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> 549 not currently.
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> > A group of accessibility experts (including me) has met a couple of
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> to discuss this problem. The result of our discussions is attached as "Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards".  We want a consolidation of standards for ebook accessibility, so that publishers do not need to make a difference between ebooks in EPUB3 and ebooks in PDF format.
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> > Can we discuss this in one of our upcoming meetings?
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