Minutes for 2 February

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                                                                                 Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

02 February 2022


          Fazio, Fredrik, Gottfried, Irfan, janina, Jonny_James, Joshue, Joshue108, Lionel_Wolberger, Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi



          janina, Matthew_Atkinson


    1. Agenda Review & Announcements
    2. Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Moving to 10:00 AM (Boston) effective 16 February
    3. Task Force & Deliverables Updates
         1. Pronunciation
         2. Personalization
         3. COGA
         4. RQTF
    4. FAST & Deliverables Update
         1. publications
    5. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
    6. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
    7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
    8. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
    9. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
   10. Other Business

Meeting minutes

   <janina> scribe:

  Agenda Review & Announcements

   David is hosting a colleague from Russia in San Fran, under U.S.Embassy sponsorship, re exchange of info; may join APA next week

   janina: TPAC 2022 in Vancouver September 12-16

  Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Moving to 10:00 AM (Boston) effective 16 February

   Matthew_Atkinson: Now expecting to start 10:00 Boston effective 16 February

   Matthew_Atkinson: Has been previously discussed in telecon and on list; no major objections

   Matthew_Atkinson: If any major problem, please advise asap

  Task Force & Deliverables Updates


   PaulG: Will be moving time soon; WBS polling in progress; Most likely a swap to Noon

   PaulG: Still responding to issues; working up more use cases

   PaulG: Also some recruiting looks successful


   Matthew_Atkinson: We still have an I18N blocker; we're getting closer to showing our spec works as expected to close it

   Matthew_Atkinson: Running internal checks as is multi-lang

   Matthew_Atkinson: Also looking at renaming our suite of specs to be with a consistent naming scheme


   Fazio: no news


   janina: Issue processing ongoing with several note track docs

   janina: SAUR close to complete and will be first to advance

   MichaelC: Note that COGA Work Statement has been agreed by the group and is ready for review by the APA and AG chairs.

   <janina> MichaelC: Draft WS from COGA -- MichaelC Formally, Work Statements should be approved by WGs

  FAST & Deliverables Update

   Joshue108: Subgroup heard presentation from a11y for children; some focus on pedagogy and a11y in relation

   Joshue108: also updated on further back and forth; some delay re deceptive patterns that could be problematic


   janina: Previously FAST was an APA deliverable; it moved to Silver and it is expected that it will return to APA for further publication.

   <Fazio> Thank you

   janina: Work on an Accessibility Maturity Model was being undertaken within AGWG and it has recently been discussed that this may move out of AGWG. Thus it may need a new home, and APA is a possibility if so. This
   was mentioned on the AGWG call yesterday to a small degree. Further discussion within AGWG and APA needed (to introduce it to you, if need be).

   <Fazio> I chair the Maturity Model group with Sheri Byrne-Haber

   Gottfried: We are working on a model too. Is the W3C model focused on sites, or organizations?

   janina: Wider than web sites, so could cover more areas, as long as they're web-related.

   <Fazio> we meet the hour before APA

   Gottfried: We may have people who could contribute.

   janina: That would be great.

   +1 to janina

   janina: It's intended to be useful to a wide range of organizations.

   Fazio: Focusing on what is W3C accessibility; what does it mean and how do you sustain it?

   Fazio: Ensuing that accessibility is consistent across different channels, and advice on sustaining it applicable for organizations of different sizes.

   Fazio: It cotnains information about creating a continued process of improvement a la ISO 9001. But it's not tied into ISO's accessibility standard.

   Fazio: The current draft is on GitHub

   Gottfried: AFAIK the first model of this kind is from the Business Disability Forum.

   <Gottfried_> https://businessdisabilityforum.org.uk/knowledge-hub/resources/tech-taskforce-accessibility-maturity-model/

   janina: We are thinking this may be a good fit for W3C Statement status (which is new).

   <Fazio> Maturity Model https://w3c.github.io/wcag-maturity-model/

  New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

   MichaelC: none


   <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6869

   MichaelC: CSS Zoom -- much to look at

   paul: Zoom and resolution are both important; no browser provides good data

   paul: better data would be helpful for content creation; especially automating tests per wcag criteria

   Matthew_Atkinson: believe we're interested

   janina: also advise Silver

   Matthew_Atkinson: was concerned about fingerprinting; but the testing is very interesting opportunity

   janina: One benefit of moving APA call is we won't clash with CSS. We also could approach CSS (and attend) to ask for potential liaison.

  A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

  new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

   michael: nothing

  Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open


   <trackbot> action-2317: Janina Sajka to Review miniapps -- due 2022-02-02 -- OPEN

   janina: Concern around whether the Accessibility Considerations section is normative or not.

   MichaelC: The spec says it's non-normative.

   janina: No strong opinion at the moment; Roy was involved so let's wait until we can discuss with Roy.

   Matthew_Atkinson: any others?


   Matthew_Atkinson: some look just unclosed; looking at Fredrik

   Fredrik: yes!

   Fredrik: have UI Events pending for next week

   Fredrik: will certainly check

  Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

   MichaelC: Still have WoT

   <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Profile

   janina: We discussed this in RQTF with Joshue108 et al. There is an important accessibility issue that we raised, which we may've discovered after our last deep interaction with WoT. Joshue108 is checking up on the

   janina: The issue is middleware. E.g. a device may be accessible in the sense that it works with a particular voice assistant, but it turns out that you need to configure it in the first instance with a specific app,
   and the app may turn out to be inaccessible.

   janina: You may also need to sign up for an account for that specific middleware platform, which may be in a different country etc. and there's an immense variety of middleware and variability in accessibility.

   janina: We are calling this 'middleware' and I want to write it up and have us work with WoT to express it using their terms.

   janina: This information needs to be expressed in sales copy, on packaging, etc., so that we can search/filter for/on it.

  Other Business


   Matthew_Atkinson: given there's time; the personalization discussion of renaming reminds me of the two hard problems in comp sci:

   1. Naming things

   2. Cache invalidation

   3. Off by one errors

   Matthew_Atkinson: it's not original to me!

   Lionel_Wolberger: are you counting fencing; or fence posts?

    Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 185 (Thu Dec 2 18:51:55 2021 UTC).


   Maybe present: michael, MichaelC, paul, PaulG


Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Received on Wednesday, 2 February 2022 20:54:06 UTC