- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 18:11:15 -0500
- To: Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
- Cc: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>, W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures <public-apa@w3.org>
Hi, Katie: My comments during a Personalization TF teleconference this morning seemed to have spawned a couple threads with cc's to different individuals and at one of our APA lists. I believe I suggested COGA has delivered on the APA expectation (originally the PF expectation) more than once, but certainly one is archived on the main APA list here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Feb/0010.html Best, Janina Katie Haritos-Shea writes: > I am afraid I don't see a reference to Janina suggesting that the goal of > the reason the Task Force was created to be joint responsibility has been > satisfied. > > ** katie ** > > *Katie Haritos-Shea* > *Principal ICT Accessibility Architect* > > > *Senior Product Manager/Compliance/Accessibility **SME* > *, **Core Merchant Framework UX, Clover* > > > *W3C Advisory Committee Member and Representative for Knowbility * > > > *WCAG/Section 508/ADA/AODA/QA/FinServ/FinTech/Privacy,* *IAAP CPACC+WAS = * > *CPWA* <http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpwacertificants> > > *Cell: **703-371-5545 <703-371-5545>** |* *ryladog@gmail.com > <ryladog@gmail.com>* *| **Seneca, SC **|* *LinkedIn Profile > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/katieharitosshea/>* > > People may forget exactly what it was that you said or did, but they will > never forget how you made them feel....... > > Our scars remind us of where we have been........they do not have to > dictate where we are going. > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 4:04 PM John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote: > > > Katie writes: > > > > > ...for the reasons it was placed as a joint TF in the first place > > > > Respectfully Katie, could you share that with this list again please? > > If, as Janina has suggested, the 'goal' of that construct has been > > satisfied (delivered), then what further value will it add going forward? > > > > >...to do some particular thing. COGA has delivered on that expectation... > > > > > > As an active member at APA, I concur with Janina's conclusion. Not trying > > to pick a fight, trying to understand the justification, is all. > > > > Thanks. > > > > JF > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:22 PM Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> I understand what is being suggested as a change to the joint placement > >> of COGA. I see the value in it staying right where it is, for the reasons > >> it was placed as a joint TF in the first place. End articulation. > >> > >> ** katie ** > >> > >> *Katie Haritos-Shea* > >> *Principal ICT Accessibility Architect* > >> > >> > >> *Senior Product Manager/Compliance/Accessibility **SME* > >> *, **Core Merchant Framework UX, Clover* > >> > >> > >> *W3C Advisory Committee Member and Representative for Knowbility * > >> > >> > >> *WCAG/Section 508/ADA/AODA/QA/FinServ/FinTech/Privacy,* *IAAP CPACC+WAS > >> = **CPWA* <http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpwacertificants> > >> > >> *Cell: **703-371-5545 <703-371-5545>** |* *ryladog@gmail.com > >> <ryladog@gmail.com>* *| **Seneca, SC **|* *LinkedIn Profile > >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/katieharitosshea/>* > >> > >> People may forget exactly what it was that you said or did, but they will > >> never forget how you made them feel....... > >> > >> Our scars remind us of where we have been........they do not have to > >> dictate where we are going. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:51 PM John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Janina, > >>> > >>> Thanks for this - I think it also serves to illustrate that other > >>> working relationships can exist to mutual benefit without the formal > >>> moniker of "Joint Task Force" > >>> > >>> JF > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:44 PM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> John, > >>>> > >>>> You were in the process of moving to Canada when the Accessible CSS TF > >>>> ceased to be in October. It is now a liaison relationship that's working > >>>> brilliantly thanks to consistent attention from Amy Carney. > >>>> > >>>> Just FYI. > >>>> > >>>> Janina > >>>> > >>>> John Foliot writes: > >>>> > Hi Lisa, > >>>> > > >>>> > While I certainly do believe that having voices representing the > >>>> > communities of users with cognitive disabilities being represented > >>>> during > >>>> > APA discussions is important, that in no way also requires that the > >>>> COGA > >>>> > Task Force be a joint TF between the *actual* parent Working Group > >>>> (AG) and > >>>> > APA. In fact, I cannot think of another activity under the WAI > >>>> umbrella > >>>> > that operates as such (perhaps Accessible CSS?). > >>>> > > >>>> > So, if you truly believe that the perspective of COGA needs to be at > >>>> APA, > >>>> > please come and join those calls - the more the merrier. But a formal > >>>> > "joint task-force"? I'm struggling to see the value add there. > >>>> > > >>>> > JF > >>>> > > >>>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:42 PM Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > Hi John, > >>>> > > I have no problem with the other task forces joining APA. Maybe they > >>>> > > should. > >>>> > > The plan was for us to explore and discuss this after our > >>>> publication. I > >>>> > > would like to keep to that plan. If the time table is to long, we > >>>> should be > >>>> > > told what the time table is etc. > >>>> > > COGA and APA need to integrate our work better. > >>>> > > For COGA, we sometimes spin off ideas - such as personalization. APA > >>>> > > reviews and work also needs to incorporate the COGA perspective. > >>>> How this > >>>> > > is done and how we work together is something we should explore in > >>>> detail > >>>> > > and with consideration for the good of accessibility. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 7:12 PM John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > >> Hi Lisa, > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> COGA is (was?) a *joint* task force between APA and AG Working > >>>> Groups, > >>>> > >> and I neither see nor hear a proposal to eliminate COGA, only to > >>>> no longer > >>>> > >> make it a joint TF with APA. > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> From my perspective, APA and AG WG will continue to coordinate and > >>>> work > >>>> > >> together, and so I am wondering if you can articulate specific > >>>> reasons for > >>>> > >> keeping the joint relationship active, versus allowing COGA to > >>>> remain a TF > >>>> > >> of AG WG. > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> I note that there are other Task Forces under AG WG that do not > >>>> have a > >>>> > >> joint partnership structure (Low Vision, "mobile"/touch > >>>> interfaces, XR) and > >>>> > >> so I'd like to understand why you feel COGA should be treated > >>>> differently > >>>> > >> than those other Task Forces? What advantages are gained by > >>>> remaining a > >>>> > >> joint Task Force? > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> Thanks > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> JF > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:58 AM Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >>> I strongly feel that APA and COGA must have a formal relationship > >>>> and an > >>>> > >>> improved process of working together that means ApA's work will > >>>> includ COGA > >>>> > >>> concerns. > >>>> > >>> I object to a charter that does not include this and removes coga > >>>> as a > >>>> > >>> task force. > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> As you know we have an important publication this month. It was > >>>> on COGAs > >>>> > >>> time table (as agreed) as the first item after our publication to > >>>> work with > >>>> > >>> the co-chairs to improve this process. > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> All the best > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> Lisa Seeman > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Janina Sajka > >>>> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka > >>>> > >>>> Linux Foundation Fellow > >>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > >>>> > >>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > >>>> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > >>>> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>> > >>>> -- Janina Sajka https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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