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APA Minutes 2018-11-28

From: Gottfried Zimmermann \(Lists\) <zimmermann@accesstechnologiesgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:03:46 +0100
To: "'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'" <public-apa@w3.org>
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Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: cooper to draft accessibility considerations section for
[NEW] ACTION: cooper to ping review of UI Events - due 9 January 2019
[NEW] ACTION: janina to return to drafting comments on POE Use Cases and

Best regards,

 Prof. Dr. Gottfried Zimmermann
 Access Technologies Group, Germany


      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

     Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

28 Nov 2018


          janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, irfan, Gottfried, MichaelC,
          Dev, JonnyJames, Becka11y, Chris_





     * [2]Topics
         1. [3]Agenda Review & Announcements
         2. [4]COGA Document CfC
         3. [5]Next and future meetings
         4. [6]new on TR
         5. [7]Actions Checkin (Specs)
         6. [8]Specification Matrix Review
         7. [9]Community Group Redux
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     * [11]Summary of Resolutions

   <scribe> scribe: Gottfried

Agenda Review & Announcements

   Becky: Action item on call for consensus on Coga?

   Janina: Let's make this a separate item on the agenda.

COGA Document CfC



   Janina: The message in the email is very accurate.
   ... You need to think about the case for the wider W3C before
   having it reviewed by others.
   ... They never finished creating the gap analysis - huge
   ... Splitting allows to finish the gap analysis.

   Michael: It is a fpwd. It means we agree that the initial
   content is worth publishing.

   Janina: Does it makes sense to split up into two documents.

   John: Would say yes.

   Janina: I don't see a strong argument for keeping together.

Next and future meetings

   Janina: We should be able to publish the announcement for the
   pronuncation tf this week.
   ... We will meet Dec. 5, 12 and 19 this year. Then two weeks

new on TR [13]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

     [13] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

   Janina: First meeting in 2019 on Jan. 9.

   <MichaelC> [14]Extensions to the Semantic Sensor Network

     [14] https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn-ext/

   Michael: Lower level, usually let go.

   John: Part of personalization involves ontology. This looks
   like it is related to the web of things. There may be a
   correlation between some of the representational stuff we are
   working on.

   Michael: The actual ontology is a separate spec.
   ... We looked at it in 2016 and decided to not review it.
   ... I don't think the features of the spec relate to us.

   Janina: Sensors denote a one-way communication.
   ... Our concerns are not in this spec.

   <MichaelC> [15]Filter Effects Module Level 1

     [15] https://www.w3.org/TR/filter-effects-1/

   Janina: Previous version published in 2014.
   ... Started with CSS, now joined with SVG.
   ... Filters for image editing program. Pretty low-level.
   ... When we reviewed it last, we did not have the concept of
   a11y statements. We may want to request that.
   ... Would this be a mechanism for the knowledge domain concept?

   Michael: Not necessarily.

   Janina: I am thinking low-vision.

   Michael: Filters could create low-vision problems, but that's
   an authoring choice.

   Janina: Back to a11y impact statement.

   Michael: We might want some features to be turned off in some

   Janina: Maybe pass to SVG tf?

   Michael: Editors are SVG people.

   Janina: Who could draft an accessibility considerations

   <MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to draft accessibility considerations
   section for [16]https://www.w3.org/TR/filter-effects-1/

     [16] https://www.w3.org/TR/filter-effects-1/

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2184 - Draft accessibility
   considerations section for
   [17]https://www.w3.org/tr/filter-effects-1/ [on Michael Cooper
   - due 2018-12-05].

     [17] https://www.w3.org/tr/filter-effects-1/

   <MichaelC> action-2184:

     [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Filter_Effects_Module_Level_1

   <trackbot> Notes added to action-2184 Draft accessibility
   considerations section for

     [19] https://www.w3.org/tr/filter-effects-1/.

   Becky: I could take a first stab and then have Michael review
   ... Where is a good example for this?

   <Dev> Is this compatible with aria?


     [20] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Aug/0035.html

Actions Checkin (Specs)

     [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8


   <trackbot> action-2183 -- Janina Sajka to Draft a message to
   the trace context spec authors - and run by joanie.
   -- due 2018-11-14 -- OPEN

     [22] https://www.w3.org/tr/2018/wd-distributed-tracing-20181106/

   <trackbot> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2183

     [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2183

   Janina: Not done, will try this week


   <trackbot> action-2182 -- Janina Sajka to Draft a paper for the
   strong authentication & identity workshop -- due 2018-11-14 --

   <trackbot> [24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2182

     [24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2182

   Janina: We never found anybody to go

   Michael: Deadline is 2018-11-30

   Janina: I will try


   <trackbot> action-2181 -- Janina Sajka to Review
   [25]https://www.w3.org/tr/navigation-timing-2/ navigation
   timing level 2 -- due 2018-10-31 -- OPEN

     [25] https://www.w3.org/tr/navigation-timing-2/

   <trackbot> [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2181

     [26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2181

   Janina: Why were we concerned?
   ... Fingerprinting
   ... Will do later.


   <trackbot> action-2180 -- John Foliot to Respond review of page
   visibility level 2 at
   .html -- due 2018-09-19 -- OPEN

     [27] http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2018jul/0020.html

   <trackbot> [28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2180

     [28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2180

   Michael: Not sure we got a response from them.

   John: I need to complete this.


   <trackbot> action-2172 -- Janina Sajka to Review web audio api
   -- due 2018-06-27 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2172

     [29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2172

   Janina: Probably not going to happen

   <MichaelC> close action-2172

   <trackbot> Closed action-2172.


   <trackbot> action-2169 -- Janina Sajka to Ask web assembly wg
   about web assembly core, what are use cases, does it impact ui
   and need a11y advice about using a11y api -- due 2018-02-28 --

   <trackbot> [30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2169

     [30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2169

   Janina: Let's keep that open


   <trackbot> action-2168 -- Janina Sajka to Review credential
   management level 1 -- due 2018-02-28 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [31]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2168

     [31] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2168

   Janina: May need to abandon

   <MichaelC> close action-2168

   <trackbot> Closed action-2168.


   <trackbot> action-2164 -- Jason White to Complete the process
   of posting updates regarding rqtf to wai-ig. -- due 2018-01-15
   -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2164

     [32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2164


   <trackbot> action-2160 -- Léonie Watson to Review web of things
   (wot) security and privacy considerations -- due 2018-09-13 --

   <trackbot> [33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2160

     [33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2160


   <trackbot> action-2149 -- Léonie Watson to Review web of things
   (wot) thing description -- due 2018-09-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [34]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2149

     [34] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2149


   <trackbot> action-2111 -- Janina Sajka to Check on the status
   of our previous comments on payments -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2111

     [35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2111

   <MichaelC> close action-2111

   <trackbot> Closed action-2111.

   Janina: We accepted their rewrite of our suggested language.

Specification Matrix Review

     [36] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review

   Janina: We spent some time on this last week. Are we finished?

   Michael: Specs are tagged as Assigned, active or deferred.
   ... We stopped at the payment stuff last time.
   ... Next: POE use cases and requirements


     [37] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/POE_Use_Cases_and_Requirements

   Michael: Janina sent an email in 2016
   ... Janina wrote to watch out for denial of content access to
   ... Updated in 2017, pretty stable.
   ... Permissions and obligations expression group
   ... Working on ODRL vocabulary and expressions

   Janina: Add a cross-ref to the spec review, please
   ... ODRL is useful and has been used by DAISY.
   ... Has been around for a while.

   Michael: Adding links to ODRL information model

   <MichaelC> ACTION: janina to return to drafting comments on POE
   Use Cases and Requirements

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2185 - Return to drafting comments on
   poe use cases and requirements [on Janina Sajka - due

   <MichaelC> action-2185:

     [38] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/POE_Use_Cases_and_Requirements

   <trackbot> Notes added to action-2185 Return to drafting
   comments on poe use cases and requirements.



   John: We offered them draft language which they incorporated.

   Janina: Close as successful outcome


     [40] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/TV_Control_API_Specification

   Michael: Went to a note.


     [41] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_Specification

   Michael: Cynthia sent comments in 2016.
   ... But we never looked after it.
   ... No idea whether her comments were incorporated.
   ... Her comments were pretty detailed. Probably another review.

   Janina: Seems useful to pay attention to this.
   ... Maybe someone can take an action in Jan.

   <MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to ping review of UI Events - due 9
   January 2019

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2186 - Ping review of ui events [on
   Michael Cooper - due 2019-01-09].



   Michael: We sent comments in Aug 2018

   Janina: Tzviya reviewed this

   Michael: And Gottfried

   Janina: Tzviya and i exchanged email - but not on the Wiki
   ... It went to our list in Oct.


     [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2018Oct/0004.html

   Michael: Probably not much for the Wiki.

   <MichaelC> [44]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Animations

     [44] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Animations

   Michael: We passed this off the css tf.
   ... Could be some WCAG 2.1 issues.
   ... Let's keep it on the tf

   Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials



   Web Payments HTTP API 1.0

   Michael: Got addressed by the web payments subgroup - but not
   existing anymore


     [46] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Payments_HTTP_Messages_1.0

   Janina: Same thing

   WebVTT: The Web Video Text Tracks Format





   Michael: Went to CR in May.
   ... Comments were sent by us in Jan. 2018

   John: Discussed in a meeting in Apr/May

   Michael: Need a pointer to include in the wiki


     [49] https://www.w3.org/2018/02/28-apa-minutes.html#item02

   Michael: So we sent comments after that meeting.
   ... Added in the wiki now.
   ... We are through on "active" specs now.

   Janina: We also need to look at "assigned" specs

   Michael: "Deferred" also for admin reasons

Community Group Redux

     [50] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups

   Janina: We fairly recently updated our matrix on community
   ... There is a need for a slight reorganization. Judy asked
   about a11y concerns in community groups, and who is covering
   ... Looking at our matrix, we do not have an easy way to answer
   that question.
   ... Not sure how to solve this problem.
   ... We are looking for ideas.

   Becky: So we would put this up on a new page with names?

   Janina: Yes, basically. If we don't have names: "No persons
   ... How can we double-check who is covering what?
   ... Not needed to be solved today, but until end of this year.

   Becky: We might update the one section where we have names for
   tracking groups.
   ... Maybe need to annotate a bit more?

   Janina: Yes, maybe. Then we can point Judy to that page.

   Becky: Maybe just turn it into a table?

   Janina: Maybe so

   <Chris_> thanks!

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: cooper to draft accessibility considerations
   section for https://www.w3.org/TR/filter-effects-1/
   [NEW] ACTION: cooper to ping review of UI Events - due 9
   January 2019
   [NEW] ACTION: janina to return to drafting comments on POE Use
   Cases and Requirements

Summary of Resolutions

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