- From: Michiel Bijl (list) <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:03:36 +0000
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The minutes for today’s call can be found as text in this e-mail and at the following URL: https://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html <https://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html> — Michiel [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 18 Jan 2017 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-irc Attendees Present MichielBijl, Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, MichaelC, JF, tdrake, ShaneM Regrets Gottfried, John_Northrup, Leonie Chair SV_MEETING_CHAIR Scribe MichielBijl, JF Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]preview agenda with items from two minutes 2. [5]Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 3. [6]new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 4. [7]Media Accessibility in W3C Specs 5. [8]Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ 6. [9]APA's Accessibility Checklist * [10]Summary of Action Items * [11]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl preview agenda with items from two minutes JS: Any additions to agenda? ... Any news for the good of the order? Actions Checkin (Specs) [12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 action-2017 <trackbot> action-2017 -- Fred Esch to Review activitypub [13]https://www.w3.org/tr/activitypub/ -- due 2016-03-16 -- CLOSED [13] https://www.w3.org/tr/activitypub/ <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2017 [14] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2017 MC: remember we reviewed something a while back <MichaelC> action-2107 due 1 week <trackbot> Set action-2107 Review [15]https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ web cryptography api due date to 2017-01-25. [15] https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ JS: Nothing like web cryptography in APA action-2104 <trackbot> action-2104 -- Michiel Bijl to Review aria in html [16]http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN [16] http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2104 [17] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2104 <JF> MB: no apparent conflicts with the ARIA spec, but noted some issues with HTML spec <MichaelC> close action-2104 <trackbot> Closed action-2104. <JF> Consulted with Steve Faulkner, recommends to file issues agaisnt HTML spec <JF> WAs mis-matches between roles defined action-2095 <trackbot> action-2095 -- Jason White to Review web authentication [18]https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ -- due 2017-01-18 -- OPEN [18] https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2095 [19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2095 MC: will mark wiki as complete JS: taken up by RTQF MC: Don’t have a category for nor-abandoned nor-complete JS: We could <MichaelC> action-2095 due 1 year <trackbot> Set action-2095 Review web authentication [20]https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ due date to 2018-01-18. [20] https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ MC: Will say “defer action” action-2094 <trackbot> action-2094 -- Janina Sajka to Review tv control api specification [21]https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN [21] https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094 [22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094 JS: Still working on it ... leave over due action-2052 <trackbot> action-2052 -- Shane McCarron to Review [23]https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom -- due 2016-09-28 -- OPEN [23] https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052 [24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052 SM: didn’t do it MC: Was published again on TR this week JS: All DOM specs are open for updating SM: Please leave it open, will contact Rich <MichaelC> action-2052 due 2 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2052 Review [25]https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom due date to 2017-02-01. [25] https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ SM: Set for two weeks from now, will have update by then action-2086 <trackbot> action-2086 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review [26]https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/ input events -- due 2016-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW [26] https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/ <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086 [27] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086 JS: Wanted to talk to Léonie about that ... Might want to bring them to Web Platforms action-2062 <trackbot> action-2062 -- Lisa Seeman to Re-review custom counter styles [28]https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2016-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW [28] https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062 [29] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062 MC: We didn’t reassign the action TD: ?? JS: Re-assign and give a couple of weeks MC: In July we said no further review needed, but never closed. ... Will re-assign to Ted with two weeks to go ... That’s it for action new on TR [30]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [30] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html MC: There seem to be no new publications of interest ... There’re four specs with explicit review requests JS: Bunch of webpayments right? MC: Yeah, three SM: I’ve looked at it, nothing to do for us there <MichaelC> action-2100? <trackbot> action-2100 -- Shane McCarron to Review pubsub [31]https://www.w3.org/tr/pubsub/ -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN [31] https://www.w3.org/tr/pubsub/ <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2100 [32] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2100 MC: Also have a category for specs that are assigned but haven’t returned anything JS: At some point we need to look at community groups MC: Done with TR Media Accessibility in W3C Specs JS: Ralph Swick?? will join us next week ... We have a MAUR document to help us ... We’ve been able to specify a whole lot of things via user requirements ... We need to find a way that it gets appropriately address ... Which comments need to go to who ... MAUR is a long read, would be nice to have a one and half page summary. ... John is working on ?? <ShaneM> I thought the checklist was updated right before the MAUR was published.... I sort of remember doing it JF: There is a disconnect between the MAUR and the checklist ... Rebuilding reqs into a checklist ... Would like feedback ... Cross ref to WCAG 2.0 ... Something are infered through WCAG ... Not explicitly called out ... Some of that feedback needs to be fed back to WCAG WG. ... Think we need to add note not necessarily normative ... Open to any suggestions to things we need to track ... It’s now hosted in the Wiki, is there somewhere else, more static, where we can host this? MC: We can come up with a place ... If appropriate, we can take it to note track, mixed feeling about that, but we can solve it JF: At some point we want to get it out of the W3 wiki ... Not overly fussy where JS: MAUR has a reference to it, so would have to edit that JF: Updating a link is not a problem ... Let me do the hard work and we’ll figure out the paper work later JS: Should consider if there is enough new information to update the MAUR ... Think we have a couple of small comments, maybe push to 1.2 MC: While there is bureaucracy for updating notes, not as bad as RECs JF: The other thing, some of the author requirements have nothing to do with APIs ... There are some other requirements as well JS: Should be made into best practices JF: Or advance to WCAG JS: If that’s the case I don’t care too much about which version. ... Would be interested in POCs JF: Someone from BBC showed me some stuff JS: Would like to do that ... If you have time before next meeting that’d be good <Zakim> JF, you wanted to note there are also some author requirements that have nothing to do with APIs Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl [33]http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ [33] http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ <JF> scribe: JF MB: have done a review no real issues except for one item - a legacy issue there are a number of elements that are not currently iin alpha-order there is one issue however that is the section element <MichielBijl> [34]https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/64 [34] https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/64 according to ARIA in HTML, it maps to region, but according to APG it has extra properties <MichielBijl> [35]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/239 [35] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/239 so there is a need for an update there are a number of differences between what is allowed in different documents Steve F. has requested that these differences be filed as bugs JS: a good list of items to follow up on ... suspect that the ARIA group would be interested inthis as well, especially the discrepancies apparent ... our wiki should have, at a minimum, pointers of what happened and a paper-trail back to github issues MB: hae a markdown file of issues noted, can be added to anywhere JS: can send it tomailing list MB: yes, can do that ... has 3 categories of issues: ARIA in HTML issues, HTML issues, and one APG issue most issues are the descrepencies MB: so question is, where should post the issues? JB: definately on the ARIA list <scribe> ACTION: Michiel to file issues, send out email to both lists [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html#action01] [36] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2109 - File issues, send out email to both lists [on Michiel Bijl - due 2017-01-25]. <MichaelC> associate action-2109 with product-8 <trackbot> action-2109 (File issues, send out email to both lists) associated with product-8. <MichaelC> action-2109? <trackbot> action-2109 -- Michiel Bijl to File issues, send out email to both lists -- due 2017-01-25 -- OPEN <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2109 [37] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2109 APA's Accessibility Checklist <MichielBijl> MC: No news since last week <MichaelC> [38]Draft WTAG Checklist [38] http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html <MichielBijl> MC: I tried to make the checklist somewhat complete <MichielBijl> MC: It references relevant guidelines <MichielBijl> MC: I think the wording of these checklist items needs to be done <MichielBijl> MC: Were drafted so we would understand <MichielBijl> MC: A) Do we have the right sections <MichielBijl> MC: B) Are the checklist items appropriate for that section <MichielBijl> MC: Can send comments to the list <MichielBijl> MC: Can send PRs, but might be a little early for that <MichielBijl> MC: Might do restructure in coming weeks <MichielBijl> MC: Ralph wants this in April <MichielBijl> MC: Not sure yet when we want to publish final version <MichielBijl> MC: Over next month we’ll try to answer all those questions <MichielBijl> MC: Publish in APA rep or TR <MichielBijl> MC: These checklist items are just CSS <MichielBijl> MC: Would like to put in actual form <MichielBijl> MC: Would be able to submit and get a list of things you need to look at <MichielBijl> JF: I see there are some gaps <MichielBijl> JF: Under the explanation column <MichielBijl> JF: Do you need help? <MichielBijl> MC: Yes! <MichielBijl> MC: Would be greatly appreciated <MichielBijl> MC: If people can offer content, that would be great <MichielBijl> MC: In short term e-mail is fine <MichielBijl> JF: Looking at media stuff here <MichielBijl> JF: Working on MAUR anyway, seems trivial to feed that to checklist <MichielBijl> MC: Did attempt to link to MAUR <MichielBijl> MC: Will fix contrast issue soon <MichielBijl> JF: target audience is other WGs? <MichielBijl> MC: primary target audience yes <MichielBijl> JS: Think we need to put on media hats <MichielBijl> Whatever different viewpoints we have <MichielBijl> Michael just noted that indeed you need to be able to send out to different devices <MichielBijl> MC: That’s the sort of stuff I want people to catch in their review <MichielBijl> Might be useful to look at overall web accessibility technology guidelines <MichaelC> [39]Draft WTAG [39] http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/wtag.html <MichielBijl> Nearly 2 year old draft at this point <MichielBijl> Went through it with PFWG at some point <MichielBijl> JS: plenty of work left! <MichielBijl> Any other comments or questions? <MichielBijl> We’re at the hour <MichielBijl> We’ll discuss input events when Léonie is here, we had some comments from Rich. <MichielBijl> Thanks all! 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