- From: Michiel Bijl (list) <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:03:36 +0000
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The minutes for today’s call can be found as text in this e-mail and at the following URL: https://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html <https://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html>
— Michiel
[1]W3C
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Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
18 Jan 2017
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-irc
Attendees
Present
MichielBijl, Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, MichaelC, JF,
tdrake, ShaneM
Regrets
Gottfried, John_Northrup, Leonie
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
MichielBijl, JF
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]preview agenda with items from two minutes
2. [5]Actions Checkin (Specs)
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
3. [6]new on TR
http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
4. [7]Media Accessibility in W3C Specs
5. [8]Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl
http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/
6. [9]APA's Accessibility Checklist
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
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<MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
preview agenda with items from two minutes
JS: Any additions to agenda?
... Any news for the good of the order?
Actions Checkin (Specs)
[12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
action-2017
<trackbot> action-2017 -- Fred Esch to Review activitypub
[13]https://www.w3.org/tr/activitypub/ -- due 2016-03-16 --
CLOSED
[13] https://www.w3.org/tr/activitypub/
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2017
[14] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2017
MC: remember we reviewed something a while back
<MichaelC> action-2107 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2107 Review
[15]https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ web cryptography api
due date to 2017-01-25.
[15] https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/
JS: Nothing like web cryptography in APA
action-2104
<trackbot> action-2104 -- Michiel Bijl to Review aria in html
[16]http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN
[16] http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2104
[17] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2104
<JF> MB: no apparent conflicts with the ARIA spec, but noted
some issues with HTML spec
<MichaelC> close action-2104
<trackbot> Closed action-2104.
<JF> Consulted with Steve Faulkner, recommends to file issues
agaisnt HTML spec
<JF> WAs mis-matches between roles defined
action-2095
<trackbot> action-2095 -- Jason White to Review web
authentication [18]https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ -- due
2017-01-18 -- OPEN
[18] https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2095
[19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2095
MC: will mark wiki as complete
JS: taken up by RTQF
MC: Don’t have a category for nor-abandoned nor-complete
JS: We could
<MichaelC> action-2095 due 1 year
<trackbot> Set action-2095 Review web authentication
[20]https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ due date to 2018-01-18.
[20] https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/
MC: Will say “defer action”
action-2094
<trackbot> action-2094 -- Janina Sajka to Review tv control api
specification [21]https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ -- due
2017-01-11 -- OPEN
[21] https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094
[22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094
JS: Still working on it
... leave over due
action-2052
<trackbot> action-2052 -- Shane McCarron to Review
[23]https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom -- due
2016-09-28 -- OPEN
[23] https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052
[24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052
SM: didn’t do it
MC: Was published again on TR this week
JS: All DOM specs are open for updating
SM: Please leave it open, will contact Rich
<MichaelC> action-2052 due 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2052 Review
[25]https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom due date to
2017-02-01.
[25] https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/
SM: Set for two weeks from now, will have update by then
action-2086
<trackbot> action-2086 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review
[26]https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/ input events -- due
2016-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
[26] https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086
[27] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086
JS: Wanted to talk to Léonie about that
... Might want to bring them to Web Platforms
action-2062
<trackbot> action-2062 -- Lisa Seeman to Re-review custom
counter styles
[28]https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due
2016-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
[28] https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
[29] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
MC: We didn’t reassign the action
TD: ??
JS: Re-assign and give a couple of weeks
MC: In July we said no further review needed, but never closed.
... Will re-assign to Ted with two weeks to go
... That’s it for action
new on TR [30]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
[30] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
MC: There seem to be no new publications of interest
... There’re four specs with explicit review requests
JS: Bunch of webpayments right?
MC: Yeah, three
SM: I’ve looked at it, nothing to do for us there
<MichaelC> action-2100?
<trackbot> action-2100 -- Shane McCarron to Review pubsub
[31]https://www.w3.org/tr/pubsub/ -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN
[31] https://www.w3.org/tr/pubsub/
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2100
[32] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2100
MC: Also have a category for specs that are assigned but
haven’t returned anything
JS: At some point we need to look at community groups
MC: Done with TR
Media Accessibility in W3C Specs
JS: Ralph Swick?? will join us next week
... We have a MAUR document to help us
... We’ve been able to specify a whole lot of things via user
requirements
... We need to find a way that it gets appropriately address
... Which comments need to go to who
... MAUR is a long read, would be nice to have a one and half
page summary.
... John is working on ??
<ShaneM> I thought the checklist was updated right before the
MAUR was published.... I sort of remember doing it
JF: There is a disconnect between the MAUR and the checklist
... Rebuilding reqs into a checklist
... Would like feedback
... Cross ref to WCAG 2.0
... Something are infered through WCAG
... Not explicitly called out
... Some of that feedback needs to be fed back to WCAG WG.
... Think we need to add note not necessarily normative
... Open to any suggestions to things we need to track
... It’s now hosted in the Wiki, is there somewhere else, more
static, where we can host this?
MC: We can come up with a place
... If appropriate, we can take it to note track, mixed feeling
about that, but we can solve it
JF: At some point we want to get it out of the W3 wiki
... Not overly fussy where
JS: MAUR has a reference to it, so would have to edit that
JF: Updating a link is not a problem
... Let me do the hard work and we’ll figure out the paper work
later
JS: Should consider if there is enough new information to
update the MAUR
... Think we have a couple of small comments, maybe push to 1.2
MC: While there is bureaucracy for updating notes, not as bad
as RECs
JF: The other thing, some of the author requirements have
nothing to do with APIs
... There are some other requirements as well
JS: Should be made into best practices
JF: Or advance to WCAG
JS: If that’s the case I don’t care too much about which
version.
... Would be interested in POCs
JF: Someone from BBC showed me some stuff
JS: Would like to do that
... If you have time before next meeting that’d be good
<Zakim> JF, you wanted to note there are also some author
requirements that have nothing to do with APIs
Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl
[33]http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/
[33] http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/
<JF> scribe: JF
MB: have done a review
no real issues except for one item - a legacy issue
there are a number of elements that are not currently iin
alpha-order
there is one issue however that is the section element
<MichielBijl> [34]https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/64
[34] https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/64
according to ARIA in HTML, it maps to region, but according to
APG it has extra properties
<MichielBijl>
[35]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/239
[35] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/239
so there is a need for an update
there are a number of differences between what is allowed in
different documents
Steve F. has requested that these differences be filed as bugs
JS: a good list of items to follow up on
... suspect that the ARIA group would be interested inthis as
well, especially the discrepancies apparent
... our wiki should have, at a minimum, pointers of what
happened and a paper-trail back to github issues
MB: hae a markdown file of issues noted, can be added to
anywhere
JS: can send it tomailing list
MB: yes, can do that
... has 3 categories of issues: ARIA in HTML issues, HTML
issues, and one APG issue
most issues are the descrepencies
MB: so question is, where should post the issues?
JB: definately on the ARIA list
<scribe> ACTION: Michiel to file issues, send out email to both
lists [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html#action01]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2109 - File issues, send out email to
both lists [on Michiel Bijl - due 2017-01-25].
<MichaelC> associate action-2109 with product-8
<trackbot> action-2109 (File issues, send out email to both
lists) associated with product-8.
<MichaelC> action-2109?
<trackbot> action-2109 -- Michiel Bijl to File issues, send out
email to both lists -- due 2017-01-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2109
[37] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2109
APA's Accessibility Checklist
<MichielBijl> MC: No news since last week
<MichaelC> [38]Draft WTAG Checklist
[38] http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html
<MichielBijl> MC: I tried to make the checklist somewhat
complete
<MichielBijl> MC: It references relevant guidelines
<MichielBijl> MC: I think the wording of these checklist items
needs to be done
<MichielBijl> MC: Were drafted so we would understand
<MichielBijl> MC: A) Do we have the right sections
<MichielBijl> MC: B) Are the checklist items appropriate for
that section
<MichielBijl> MC: Can send comments to the list
<MichielBijl> MC: Can send PRs, but might be a little early for
that
<MichielBijl> MC: Might do restructure in coming weeks
<MichielBijl> MC: Ralph wants this in April
<MichielBijl> MC: Not sure yet when we want to publish final
version
<MichielBijl> MC: Over next month we’ll try to answer all those
questions
<MichielBijl> MC: Publish in APA rep or TR
<MichielBijl> MC: These checklist items are just CSS
<MichielBijl> MC: Would like to put in actual form
<MichielBijl> MC: Would be able to submit and get a list of
things you need to look at
<MichielBijl> JF: I see there are some gaps
<MichielBijl> JF: Under the explanation column
<MichielBijl> JF: Do you need help?
<MichielBijl> MC: Yes!
<MichielBijl> MC: Would be greatly appreciated
<MichielBijl> MC: If people can offer content, that would be
great
<MichielBijl> MC: In short term e-mail is fine
<MichielBijl> JF: Looking at media stuff here
<MichielBijl> JF: Working on MAUR anyway, seems trivial to feed
that to checklist
<MichielBijl> MC: Did attempt to link to MAUR
<MichielBijl> MC: Will fix contrast issue soon
<MichielBijl> JF: target audience is other WGs?
<MichielBijl> MC: primary target audience yes
<MichielBijl> JS: Think we need to put on media hats
<MichielBijl> Whatever different viewpoints we have
<MichielBijl> Michael just noted that indeed you need to be
able to send out to different devices
<MichielBijl> MC: That’s the sort of stuff I want people to
catch in their review
<MichielBijl> Might be useful to look at overall web
accessibility technology guidelines
<MichaelC> [39]Draft WTAG
[39] http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/wtag.html
<MichielBijl> Nearly 2 year old draft at this point
<MichielBijl> Went through it with PFWG at some point
<MichielBijl> JS: plenty of work left!
<MichielBijl> Any other comments or questions?
<MichielBijl> We’re at the hour
<MichielBijl> We’ll discuss input events when Léonie is here,
we had some comments from Rich.
<MichielBijl> Thanks all!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Michiel to file issues, send out email to both
lists [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html#action01]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
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