- From: Michiel Bijl <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 23:13:44 +0200
- To: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures <public-apa@w3.org>
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The minutes for todays APA call can be found in this e-mail or at the following URL: https://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html — Michiel [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 09 Aug 2017 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-irc Attendees Present janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichielBijl, IanPouncey, MichaelC, chaals1, Léonie Regrets Chair janina Scribe MichielBijl Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]preview agenda with items from two minutes 2. [5]TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 3. [6]Task Force Checkins 4. [7]Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 5. [8]Input Events Redux 6. [9]Push API Next Steps 7. [10]new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html * [11]Summary of Action Items * [12]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <janina> [13]http://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/ [13] http://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/ <MichaelC> present= <scribe> scribe: MichielBijl preview agenda with items from two minutes JS: Been asked to talk about Push API Chaals and Léonie are joining us fro that conversation JS: Any news? TPAC 2017 [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 [14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 MB: Got a new job! Now at Funda in the Netherlands Task Force Checkins JS: Ian anything to update? IP: Would like to ask for some time next week so I can work through most of the things JS: You’re on IP: Want to provide some sort of update for the open issues Do some prioritising JS: That we’ll do Any items from other task forces? MC: Payments Taskforce? JS: Haven’t heard anything, need to find Katie Did ask Judy about Katie sighting She should slowly make her way back to W3C activities MC: Just wanted to check that I didn’t miss anything because it’s still inactive . Actions Checkin (Specs) [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 Input Events Redux JS: PF before APA has had a long story with trying to get things right with input events We have had a lot of comments <chaals1> [Note that it is generally a good idea to talk to Johannes Wilm directly whenever discussing this topic] Some have been accepted <MichaelC> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events_Level_2 [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events_Level_2 <janina> [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0013 .html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0013.html ^ Questions we need to respond to Not sure how to describe where we are with this Anyone they feel they can summarise this? We’re leaving this hanging, and would like to come to a resolution on it <chaals1> The webPlat editing APIs TF generally meets once per month, last one yesterday but it was postponed. LW: The Editing TF might be a good place to start <janina> Chls, do you know when exactly Editing TF meets? Day? Hour? CMN: Their first question is about how an AT gets a notification of an input event I think we need to discuss that with them Not sure where the AT is listening for that The app that’s running picks that up and resets the event and fire its own You would need to be able to chain from the app This is about clarifying what changes need to be made Work on use cases “Where are they getting the input event?” <chaals1> [I assume it is platform-specific - and may also depend on applications] JD: Might depend on the platform I’m getting it from the application, but not sure what happens on the Mac It would be a platform specific question you might ask? CMN: Absolutely a platform-specific question Is there an issue for this? Can I ask someone in APA to file one if not so we can track it? JS: We can file an issue as I’m not sure we have one right now MC: Is this an AAM issue? JD: Not sure it is CMN: At this stage it’s not clear it should be in the API mappings ... Check it’s being done JS: I think that’s reasonable CMN: Issue is to ensure that the way input events are implemented and used that AT gets the message at the right moment JS: How do the different platforms do it? <MichaelC> ACTION: janina to file issue with input events about AT getting message properly [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html#action01] [18] http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html#action01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2139 - File issue with input events about at getting message properly [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-08-16]. <MichaelC> action-2139? <trackbot> action-2139 -- Janina Sajka to File issue with input events about at getting message properly -- due 2017-08-16 -- OPEN <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2139 [19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2139 <chaals1> [There are at least a couple of editing frameworks that have done a lot of work on accessibility and probably have some insight] Anything else on input events we want to discuss? MC: There’s still a pending action on it I know you have two anyways <MichaelC> action-2139: [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events_Level_2 [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events_Level_2 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2139 File issue with input events about at getting message properly. <MichaelC> action-2139: see also action-2124 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2139 File issue with input events about at getting message properly. Push API Next Steps <MichaelC> action-2124: see also action-2139 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2124 Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled. JS: We’re developing use cases that we’re starting to talk about on the Do Not Disturb level We got a use case from Ted Drake for a list of situation where you want to use DND Have recently compared W3C Notification API with the WHATWG one <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to talk about their first question and to ask about the differences in detail <chaals1> CMN: Are there other significant differences besidess the accessibility stuff? What are the accessibility statements that are different? <janina> [21]https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/ [21] https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/ <MichaelC> [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Notifications_API [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Notifications_API <chaals1> ... one way to proceed would be to clearly request the Push spec to reference the W3C notification spec as the reference to use, explicitly because accessibility may otherwise be compromised... <janina> [23]http://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/ [23] http://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/ <janina> Diff indicates W3C has Sec 2.1 not in WHAT LW: The W3C Web Notifications spec went to Rec in 2015 and the WG closed/ <janina> Also last paragraph of W3C Sec. 4 has been watered down by WHAT MC: No ... It’s going to be hard for us to do a HTML diff JS: So what’s the useful way to proceed on this CMN: *breaking up* JS: Anyone willing to do a comparison? LW: Not sure what we’re trying to accomplish by doing a diff <chaals1> [No point doing an automatic diff, because the specs are different. A parallel analysis by a human would show what the significant differences are...] MC: Our ultimate issue is that push API does something that creates an accessibility problem/ <chaals1> [... If it's only accessibility they can refer to W3C. Otherwise they can refer to the accessibility guidance in addition to the wwg push spec.]] Push API told us to go to Notification API LW: Not sure we can do anything about a non-W3C spec ;) Depending on the W3C Notification spec is not much help either as the WG has closed Would suggest filing an issue on the WHATWG spec MC: A PR would be even better LW: Might also be worth suggesting the idea of a DND feature to the Push API editors too. *scribe without audio* MC: The language we request be added to the Notification API spec <chaals1> [as a starting point, request PushAPI to add a note in their informative reference to Notifications, adding JS: I can start the plain English version If someone can help me with the code MC: Yes, I can do that If you can look at where in the doc it needs to go JS: Sounds good Michael, any new specs? new on TR [24]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html <chaals1> "Please note that for accessibility reasons, sections X and Y of w3c notifications should be taken into account by implementations"... MC: Want to bring up WebVVT There’s now an active request for a review <MichaelC> [25]WebVTT: The Web Video Text Tracks Format [25] https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/ <MichaelC> [26]Credential Management Level 1 [26] https://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ MC: reviewed it a while ago Decided to go back to it JS: Who did it before? MC: Fred <MichaelC> [27]Verifiable Claims Data Model and Representations [27] https://www.w3.org/TR/verifiable-claims-data-model/ > Driver's licenses are used to claim that we are capable of operating a motor vehicle, university degrees can be used to claim our education status, and government-issued passports enable holders to travel between countries. This specification provides a standard way to express these sorts of claims on the Web in a way that is cryptographically secure, privacy respecting, and automatically verifiable. MC: My gut tells me we don’t have to worry about this JS: Might be some UI MC: Not sure how this would impact us Mostly data models That’s it for TR then sg/CN:/CMN:/ Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: janina to file issue with input events about AT getting message properly [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html#action01] [28] http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html#action01 Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [29]scribe.perl version 1.152 ([30]CVS log) $Date: 2017/08/09 17:02:34 $ __________________________________________________________ [29] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.152 of Date: 2017/02/06 11:04:15 Check for newer version at [31]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ scribe/ [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/??/Push API/ Succeeded: s/some time/some time next week/ Succeeded: s/Katy/Katie/ Succeeded: s/editing/webPlat editing APIs/ Succeeded: s/event/event?/ Succeeded: s/Have also filed an issue against WHATWG’s spec// Succeeded: s/LW: Is there any activity in the W3C Notification WG?/LW: T he W3C Web Notifications spec went to Rec in 2015 and the WG closed/ / Succeeded: s/CN:/CMN:/g Succeeded: s/ultimate issue is that push API does something that creates an accessibility API/ultimate issue is that push API does something tha t creates an accessibility problem/ / Succeeded: s/Push/Notification/ Present: janina Joanmarie_Diggs MichielBijl IanPouncey MichaelC chaals1 Léonie Found Scribe: MichielBijl Inferring ScribeNick: MichielBijl Found Date: 09 Aug 2017 Guessing minutes URL: [32]http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html People with action items: janina [32] http://www.w3.org/2017/08/09-apa-minutes.html WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. 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