- From: Gottfried Zimmermann \(List\) <zimmermann@accesstechnologiesgroup.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 17:24:07 +0200
- To: "'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'" <public-apa@w3.org>
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The text of the draft minutes is now pasted at the very end of this message.
There has been a problem with access rights for the minutes – thanks to
Michael, this problem is now solved.
Here is a summary of the action items from the meeting:
[NEW] ACTION: fesch to review CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. [recorded in
<http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action02>
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: MichaelC to review CSS Scrolll Snap Points Module Level 1
https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/. [recorded in
<http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action03>
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action03]
Gottfried
Von: Gottfried Zimmermann (List)
[mailto:zimmermann@accesstechnologiesgroup.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. März 2016 19:14
An: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' <public-apa@w3.org>
Betreff: Draft minutes of APA call on 2016-03-30
In HTML format: <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html>
https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html.
Sorry, i cannot access the text since I seem to have an access issue. Will
send the text later once I get access again.
Gottfried
___________________________________________________
Prof. Dr. Gottfried Zimmermann
Mobile User Interaction
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
30 Mar 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-irc
Attendees
Present
Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, Michiel_Bijl, fesch, MichaelC
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
me, Gottfried
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]preview agenda with items from two minutes
2. [5]Web Payments Teleconference Reminder -- Shane,
Janina
3. [6]CSUN Highlights -- Open Discussion
4. [7]CSS Progress -- Rich, Cynthia, Michael, Leonie
5. [8]W3C Spec Styling Issues -- Michael
6. [9]Actions Procedure Tweaks -- Janina, Michael
7. [10]Actions Review (Specs)
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
8. [11]new on TR
http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
* [12]Summary of Action Items
* [13]Summary of Resolutions
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preview agenda with items from two minutes
<fesch> text/list
<Gottfried> scribe: me
<Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
Web Payments Teleconference Reminder -- Shane, Janina
Janina: We have committed to work on a review as a subteam.
Next Mon at 1pm EDT. 3 people have signed up. Others are
welcome to join.
CSUN Highlights -- Open Discussion
Janina: Really hot braille display...
Rich: Pearson working on an editor for digital math, supports
braille displays. Awesome.
... If the user can navigate a math equation via keyboard, math
understanding increases by 10-15%.
Janina: American Printing House & NFB cooperation for braille
display.
... Will be much cheaper than current devices, about $500.
CSS Progress -- Rich, Cynthia, Michael, Leonie
Rich: We asked them to deal with the interop issue, e.g. flex
box, content injection. If it doesn't support accessibility,
WCAG people will be forced to mark this technology as not
accessible.
... Then it comes back to you - why didn't you make this
accessible?
... Met with Rosson and Bogdan, CSS co-chair. Interop spec for
CSS. Can we work on this together? How do we staff it? - Was a
good meeting.
Michael: Called "CSS accessibility API mapping spec". Best
practices doc is needed. They had agreed to work on this in the
past.
... They told us it would be helpful to provide test cases
demonstrating the concerns. We also talked of solving the
navigation problem. Need to take a look at this from a broader
perspective, across technologies (HTML, CSS, SVG).
... For flex-box issues and similar layout issues, we need the
navigation problem solved. But cannot be done quickly. We might
not be able to close this work before they close the specs.
... Joint tf between APA and CSS wgs? If CSS doesn't support
this, we could create a CSS focus group ourselves.
Janina: Who could do this?
Michael: Cynthia? Bogdan?
... We need to help them understand the issues and to solve
them. We need to provide resources for this.
Janina: How can we make them understand the problem?
Michael: Test cases.
... CSS flex-box is implemented, and we can easily demonstrate
the problem.
Janina: Maybe Matt is interested in this?
Rich: The a11y tree needs to be reordered. With that they did
not have an issue.
... They were reluctant to deal with keyboard tab index issues.
They want tab index modifications be done by the author. Might
be less problematic than restructuring the DOM. But the
solution for tab index requires positive integers to change
order. Very brittle solution. We need to go back and look at kb
navigation again, also other types of input.
... Similar issues with SVG, directional navigation - not
possible with tab index. Feature in XHTML was to build a link
chain for focus navigation. We need to bring back this concept
back.
Michael: I was referencing most of what you said. We keep
referring to other groups to solve the problem.
... Rough plan was to start now with CSS a11y API mapping.
Navigation issues need to be addressed likely in a separate
document.
... Still need the people to work on this
Janina: Still concerned about whether CSS and other graphics
people are fully convinced about what we talk about is a real
problem.
... We need to illustrate the problem in a couple of test
pages.
Michael: Issue of generated content not being exposed is
already illustrated.
Fred: Talk to Matt and Bryan?
... Show them how it impacts the user. Need the personal user
experience and awareness of the issue.
Michael: Walk them through a demo file rather than just
talking.
Janina: We can invite Bryan.
... Next steps are to draw Matt and/or Bryan into another
conversation.
Michael: Cynthia should be involved as well. Also ARIA wg.
... Session in ARIA group on CSS.
Rich: Right now, don't have any room on our plates.
Michael: Suggest Cynthia starts the mapping, and ARIA should be
informed that this would become a deliverable of them.
Rich: No time right now at all in ARIA, until ARIA advances.
Michael: Fair enough. What can we do on this from an APA
perspective?
... Can we take this up in APA?
Janina: How can we avoid going silent on this? Let me see if we
can talk with Matt and Cynthia next week. First step would be
to demonstrate the issues.
... Put together some illustrations to keep activity happening.
Michael: Rosson was saying he would come back to this group.
... Willing to talk to us by end of this week.
... Should also inform WAI coordination committee (or similar
name).
W3C Spec Styling Issues -- Michael
Janina: What is left over?
Michael: People weren't surprised by the styles. We need to
sort out problems over time.
... In theory, they want to revise the styles annually. Both an
opportunity to get improvements in next time, but also
obligation to check things out next year.
Gottfried: Is there a process for us to check their styles
before they go public?
Michael: Yes, there is a process. We missed it this time -
wasn't well coordinated on our end.
Actions Procedure Tweaks -- Janina, Michael
Janina: How can we work with our actions more cleanly?
... Suggest to make the action item reviews simply as
pending/done etc.
... If people have finished their action items, they should
send a message to the group, and i will then take it up for the
agenda of the next meeting.
Gottfried: Good suggestion. Email with action item number gets
recorded in the system.
Michael: People need to remember this.
Gottfried: Send automatic reminders?
Michael: Not a feature as far as i know. Could send a feature
request. Also can get ennoying for authors.
Gottfried: Send an automatic email when the action item is
created?
Michael: Yes, we can make this setting.
Janina: Good suggestion
Actions Review (Specs)
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
action-2019?
<trackbot> action-2019 -- Fred Esch to Review css fragmentation
module level 3 [15]https://www.w3.org/tr/css-break-3/ -- due
2016-03-16 -- OPEN
[15] https://www.w3.org/tr/css-break-3/
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2019
[16] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2019
Fred: Same issues as other CSS specs.
... Did an update on this.
<MichaelC> close action-2019
<trackbot> Closed action-2019.
action-2016?
<trackbot> action-2016 -- Michiel Bijl to Review clipboard api
and events [17]http://www.w3.org/tr/clipboard-apis/ -- due
2016-03-16 -- OPEN
[17] http://www.w3.org/tr/clipboard-apis/
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2016
[18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2016
Michiel: I have sent an issue to them. We can now close this
action.
Michael: Should we wait for the response before we close it?
<MichielBijl>
[19]https://github.com/w3c/clipboard-apis/issues/26
[19] https://github.com/w3c/clipboard-apis/issues/26
Michiel: They have replied.
<MichaelC> close action-2016
<trackbot> Closed action-2016.
Michiel: Spec should be focused on what happens between browser
and JavaScript. Issue is regarded as off-topic.
Michael: Can we put this on the agenda of next week?
new on TR [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
Michael: There are 14 specs we haven't look at yet
<MichaelC> [21]CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
[21] https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/
Michael: Wondering if it is just a DOM for CSS. Maybe not so
important for us. Do we need to look at this?
Fred: I will look at this.
<scribe> ACTION: fresch to review CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
[22]https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action01]
[22] https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/
[23] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Error finding 'fresch'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/users>.
[24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/users
<MichaelC> [25]CSS Scroll Snap Points Module Level 1
[25] https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/
<scribe> ACTION: fesch to review CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
[26]https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action02]
[26] https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/
[27] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2020 - Review css object model
(cssom) [28]https://www.w3.org/tr/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. [on
Fred Esch - due 2016-04-06].
[28] https://www.w3.org/tr/cssom-1/
<scribe> ACTION: MichaelC to review CSS Scrolll Snap Points
Module Level 1 [29]https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/.
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action03]
[29] https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/.
[30] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2021 - Review css scrolll snap points
module level 1 [31]https://www.w3.org/tr/css-snappoints-1/. [on
Michael Cooper - due 2016-04-06].
[31] https://www.w3.org/tr/css-snappoints-1/.
<MichaelC> action-2020?
<trackbot> action-2020 -- Fred Esch to Review css object model
(cssom) [32]https://www.w3.org/tr/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. --
due 2016-04-06 -- OPEN
[32] https://www.w3.org/tr/cssom-1/
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2020
[33] http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2020
<MichaelC> action-2020 due 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2020 Review css object model (cssom)
[34]https://www.w3.org/tr/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. due date to
2016-04-13.
[34] https://www.w3.org/tr/cssom-1/
actions?
actions?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: fesch to review CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: fresch to review CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
https://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-1/ by 2016-04-13. [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: MichaelC to review CSS Scrolll Snap Points Module
Level 1 https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action03]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action02
[36] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action01
[37] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-apa-minutes.html#action03
Summary of Resolutions
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