- From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:03:30 -0500
- To: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures <public-apa@w3.org>
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Hi all, the minutes form today's call can be found at: https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html or copied below: - DRAFT - Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference29 Jun 2016 See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-irc> Attendees PresentJanina, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, JF, Fred, Gottfried, Rich, fesch, CynthiaRegretsChairJaninaScribeJF Contents - Topics <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#agenda> 1. preview agenda with items from two minutes <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item01> 2. RQTF Reminder http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0042.html <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item02> 3. SVG Nested Links? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0054.html <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item03> 4. TPAC 2016 Planning <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item04> 5. Formal Review Request http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0059.html <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item05> 6. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item06> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item07> 8. HTML 5.1 input type="password http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0053.html <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item08> 9. HTML 5.1 Diff Review -- Cynthia, Michiel <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item09> 10. CSS A11y TF Draft https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/css-a11y/work-statement <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item10> - Summary of Action Items <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#ActionSummary> - Summary of Resolutions <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary> ------------------------------ preview agenda with items from two minutes <scribe> scribe: JF JS: any edits to agenda? ... any news? Gottfried: at meeting in prague - new standard on usesr-preferences and new API this will be of intereste to W3C RQTF Reminder http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0042.html JS: reminder that this TF is still recruiting <Gottfried> GZ: JTC1 SC36 is going to develop a revision of 24751-1 on user preferences which will include a registry for concepts, a format for preference sets and and API for preference servers. JS: we need a good group organized here, we will be dependent on them going forwaard SVG Nested Links? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0054.html JS: Fred had some question on this topic FE: active discussion on the ARIA thread, and we will be discussing later today on SVG WG call ... have received lots of good feedback TPAC 2016 Planning JS: actively soliciting agenda ideas for TPAC ... please add to the wiki Formal Review Request http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0059.html JS: we have received a formal request to do a formal review we need to respond on this spec JS: thinks Fred might have had an action item on this, but thinking of asking Matt King to respond JF: what about Research TF? JS: too soon - this is a request to comment on a spec going through transition MC: yes, there is some additional time-line pressure on this ... they may have intended for us to review the CR version, but the 'rush' was a bit of a shock <MichaelC> Webmention and Activity Streams are docs we decided we don't need to review. Micropub is one we wanted to come back to, so perhaps it's time now. Social Web Protocols is one we assigned to Fred back in January but he hasn't returned on that yet. MC: some of these are going to CR soon - dates not available FE: if I had an action item on this... it was a low-level thing ... don't remember this MC: wiki doesn't show anything. Possible we missed deferring this - need to crosscheck FE: I can look at this again <MichaelC> action-2002? <trackbot> action-2002 -- Fred Esch to Review social web protocols https://www.w3.org/tr/social-web-protocols/ -- due 2016-01-20 -- CLOSED <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2002 JS: there are a couple of specs here - we may need to break this up. Divide and conquer MC: it seems the only spec we need to worry about is MicroPub FE: I recall this being very low-level: little tiny APIs MC: believes this is in the tracker... will look into this <MichaelC> action-2014 due 1 week <trackbot> Set action-2014 Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ due date to 2016-07-06. MC: will set this to next week - asigned to Fred E. ... recommend we respond to taht group, with a note to wait on review of MicroPub ... if anyone else wants to re-review feel free, but we feel they were done alreay Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 MC: lots of revies due today 2 actions on cynthia and Michiel - neither on call MC: will re-assign. <MichaelC> action-2064 due 1 week <trackbot> Set action-2064 Review html 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/tr/html51/changes.html#changes due date to 2016-07-06. action-2064 <trackbot> action-2064 -- Janina Sajka to Review html 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/tr/html51/changes.html#changes -- due 2016-07-06 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2064 action-2063 <trackbot> action-2063 -- Janina Sajka to Review internationalization best practices for spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2063 <MichaelC> action-2063 due 2 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2063 Review internationalization best practices for spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ due date to 2016-07-13. JS: ran out of time - will defer 2 weeks action -2062 action-2062 <trackbot> action-2062 -- Lisa Seeman to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062 <MichaelC> action-2062 due 2 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ due date to 2016-07-13. MC: defer for 2 weeks <MichaelC> action-2062 due 1 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ due date to 2016-07-06. JS: shorten this to 1 week instead action-2058 <trackbot> action-2058 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2058 CS: will need 2 more weeks <MichaelC> action-2058 due 2 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2058 Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ due date to 2016-07-13. MC: shold we close this? <MichaelC> close action-2058 <trackbot> Closed action-2058. JS: likely action-2053 <trackbot> action-2053 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2053 <MichaelC> action-2053 due 3 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2053 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials due date to 2016-07-20. defer 3 weeks action-2048 <trackbot> action-2048 -- John Foliot to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2048 <MichaelC> action-2048 due 1 week <trackbot> Set action-2048 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-07-06. action-2047 <trackbot> action-2047 -- Michiel Bijl to Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2047 JS: will need to defer that - leave for Michiel MC; close action, and defer to CSS TF MC: noting in wiki thatwe need to look at this more however <MichaelC> close action-2040 <trackbot> Closed action-2040. action-2011 <trackbot> action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011 JS: this is still in transit - waiting on Michiel - leave open new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html MC: 1.5 new on TR <MichaelC> CSS Scroll Snap Module Level 1 <https://www.w3.org/TR/css-scroll-snap-1/> CSS Scroll snap points - related to the one JF is looking at. Has been republished as CSS Scroll snap module level 1 MC: causes a discontinuity on oour wiki - started a new wiki page ... have cleaned up our wiki {{grumble}} <MichaelC> Page Visibility 2 <https://www.w3.org/TR/page-visibility-2/> JF: this sort of looks like it's related to CSS visibility - if so, likely not an issue MC: looking at the api, it doesn't seem to be something that has an impact on us ... will mark as 'reviewed' {{LOL}} HTML 5.1 input type="password http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0053.html JS: large discussion. Part of it may have come into our space Rich has noted the security issues in HTML5.1 and type="password" JS: is this a flaw, or something thta we need to address RS: the issue is that type=password is not secure today. Passwords can be cached, you can inpsect and examine the password value in the UI ... this means that anyone can find your password thanks to cache - look at the value and boom, you have somebody's password <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say second-hand report is security not intended for HTML password and to say nonetheless JC said there´s secure storage at least on his browser that´s not MC: Judy has discussed this with Wendy S, and there is an intent to address this - it's being seen as a feature not a bug JamesN found other issues and mentioned them on a different call this week there may be other issues due to lack of specification in the HTML5 spec, the spec says it SHOULD mask output but not sure exactly what is required, but we can do it at CR phase now <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say password security not actually our domain JS: notes this is already an issue, and W3C is aware - security group is supposed to be chasing this when we meet with securtiy at TPAC, we should express our concern, but not our issue to follow up on RS: concern is that Apple doesn't want to implement due to lack of security, but type=password is not secure, so there isn't an issue MC: Safari may or may not have additional security there JS: do we want more explanatory language in the spec? <MichaelC> (and other browsers may more may not as well) by noting the impact on Assistive TEchnology MC: most AT will render as masked content, but that seems tobe very base level RC: the other issues is that browssrs are allowing for snooping of the value It isn't an a11y issue, but it *IS* an issue MC: we should advise the security folks of our shock, and we can discuss with them the impact on AT JS: yes, we need some key-echo on mobile in paticular MC: question is, how hard do we push the security folks with our dismay? ... need to be mindful of other WG's domains JS: agreed, but this opens up other issues we are looking at RC: the password role will likely be pushed to ARIA 2.0 if that is the case, I just want to avoid the retreaded discussion we had already we all know that password is not bery secure anyway - we recognize the need for a fundemental change MC: agree there is a need for change - but it isn't an APA issue we will request time with the security folks at TPAC we can address it then - noting our collective discomfort JF: notes that the browsers are a critical players here MC: correct, and the security folks need to take it to the HTML5 WG <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to make minor technical point Joanie: there is an actual issue with ATs - we fixed the one we found on our platform, but there may still be an issue (HTML AAM thing?) MC: agree ... we note that any script can get access to the value, find it weird that AT cannot JS: will put this on the wiki as a TPAC question - we will likely request joint meeting ... notes as well that this is on agenda for Research TF going forward MC: added to TPAC scratch page HTML 5.1 Diff Review -- Cynthia, Michiel JS: not ready to discuss this week? CS: changes are not that large, and chatting with Travis indicated it would take about amonth for 2-3 people so if we broke up the change list into 3 buckets CS: (notes re-add of @longdesc) ... the question is, can things proceed as is, versus looking at what we missed that shuld go into 5.2 JS: any ideas on how to break up the changes into 3 buckets CS: not really at this time - a ToDo might start by asking for volunteers CS: we will need to think about breaking things up: higher level process - how docs relate to each other, what will future versions look like, and OMG we can't ship like this today JS: looking at the list - anything else jumping out? <MichaelC> close action-2064 <trackbot> Closed action-2064. JS: will re-add to agenda for next week - please look over the change log and start thinking about taking on specifics CSS A11y TF Draft https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/css-a11y/work-statement JS: sent out an email this morning getting nervous about this info - need to do a wider announcement CS: will do so ASAP MC: we need to get cracking on this - work is happening now JF: can we wait a wekk/10 days? JS: important that we don't fall behind ... apologies to Fred, we will take up the rest of the agenda next week ... any last minute comments? ... thanks - meeting ajourned trackbot, end meeting Summary of Action ItemsSummary of Resolutions[End of minutes] -- John Foliot Principal Accessibility Strategist Deque Systems Inc. john.foliot@deque.com Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
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