Re: 48-Hour Call for Consensus (CfC): Three Pronunciation Task Force FPWDs

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On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:47 PM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:

> Colleagues:
>
> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to the Accessible Platform
> Architectures (APA) Working Group on the publication of three First Public
> Working Draft (FPWD) documents from our Pronunciation Task Force.
>
> *       User Scenarios<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__w3c.github.io_pronunciation_user-2Dscenarios_&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=AxLygMoQzYNPMhoNeUpQwH76dSk6YyeVcvwaZBcqPWU&e=
> >
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> *       Use Cases<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__w3c.github.io_pronunciation_use-2Dcases_&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=ZTpi356OmidlxlmpCit7aEQrJHqKPq8v1nGmNXi5Vjc&e=
> >
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> *       Gap Analysis<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__w3c.github.io_pronunciation_gap-2Danalysis_&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=BtbhLqFcF0qX6bU4jU3bu70Ckjp-2pzwkZ6q1LdU-t0&e=
> >
>
> Please review the documents noted above. Please note that several
> editorial tweaks are expected, but no substantive changes before
> publication.
>
> ***       ACTION TO TAKE***
>
> This CfC is now open for objection, comment, as well as statements of
> support via email. Silence will be interpreted as support, though
> messages of support are certainly welcome.
>
> If you object to this proposed action, or have comments concerning this
> proposal, whether with all of these proposed publications or any
> particular one, please respond by replying on list to this message no
> later than 23:59 (Midnight) Boston Time, Friday 23 August.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
>
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>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=ZvDHdT_mw9XncMWQpwc_yLKA0mlBR_geO-aDo22to88&e=
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> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=qZXN_hXs3EQS14RcR1BT4kOWB7MY8Xfu9_RaXK2KTwc&e=
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> Here is my proposed feedback to the Timed Text Working Group:
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> <draft-feedback>
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>    1. While we appreciate that TTML Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles
>    and Captions 1.1
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_ttml-2Dimsc1.1_&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=iR3fYp8SrXhfQar8msPXDTaseChFJceUbRSLSgO8ol0&e=>
>    is depending on Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2)
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_ttml2_&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=2kNEzUgImmLvcMQfUoKaDRmiT_EssH0_QqP6m-QEaoE&e=>,
>    it should still include an introduction that guides the reader to a better
>    understanding of its content.  Such an introduction could respond to the
>    following questions:
>       1. Why are profiles needed for text-only and image-only
>       captions/subtitles?
>       2. What are typical use cases for a image-only captions/subtitles?
>       3. What is the purpose of a presentation processor, and a
>       transformation processor?
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>    1. There is a general issue with the way that an author specifies
>    layout characteristics of captions and subtitles, such as font size, font
>    family, line height, background and positioning.  The spec describes the
>    approach of the author specifying a “fixed layout” for captions and
>    subtitles that the user cannot change.  However, it must be possible for
>    the user to overwrite the author’s choice of font size, or background
>    color, for example. This is necessary for accessibility reasons, in the
>    same way that browsers allow the user to change font size and background
>    color.  How can we find a good solution for these conflicting interests
>    between author and user?  We would like to get into a discussion with you
>    on this issue.
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>    1. Section 2 Documentation Conventions (applies also to Timed Text
>    Markup Language 2 (TTML2)
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_ttml2_&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=2kNEzUgImmLvcMQfUoKaDRmiT_EssH0_QqP6m-QEaoE&e=>
>    section 2.3). For accessibility of the spec, information such as whether an
>    element is deprecated or obsoleted should not be indicated by color (or
>    background color) alone (cf. WCAG 2.0 SC 1.4.1
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_WCAG20_quickref_-23visual-2Daudio-2Dcontrast-2Dwithout-2Dcolor&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=XmbmjovbbvM3ln5xy7D3wo4jkNEuSz5xM2Za-DXedBM&e=>).
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>    1. Section 5.1 General. The method of associating a text profile
>    document instance with an image profile document instance should be
>    specified for interoperability reasons, and not be left open to the
>    specific implementation.  Also, the association should be in both ways,
>    i.e. also from the image profile document instance to the text profile
>    document instance.
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>    1. Section 6 Supported Features and Extensions. All font-related
>    features are prohibited for the image profile. This seems to be an
>    unnecessary restriction if the image profile contains images in SVG format
>    which could be rendered differently based on the author’s choice of font
>    characteristics.
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>    1. Section 7.7.3 itts:forcedDisplay. This seems like a temporary
>    solution. Wouldn’t it be better to define semantic layers of information
>    that each could be made visible and invisible at runtime as appropriate for
>    the user?  For example, the user may want to see either speech-only
>    (subtitles), narration speech only (parts of subtitles), foreign-language
>    speech-only (parts of subtitles) or any combination of them.
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>    1. Section 7.7.4 itts:altText.  While we see this feature as useful
>    for accessibility purposes, it should be mandatory for images rather than
>    recommended only. As mentioned in the spec, one could take the pertaining
>    text passage from the text profile document instance – but (1) an
>    accompanying text profile is not required, and (2) the alternative text for
>    the image could be different from the textual caption. Therefore, the
>    itts:altText element should always be specified, but it should be empty for
>    decorative images (not clear if a “decorative image” used as a caption
>    makes sense anyway). By requiring an itts:altText for every image, but
>    allowing for an empty element in case of a decorative image, we would align
>    it with the alt attribute in HTML5 for images.
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> </draft-feedback>
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> Best regards,
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> Gottfried
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Issue Tracker [mailto:
> sysbot+tracker@w3.org]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2017 09:29
> An: public-apa@w3.org
> Betreff: apa-ACTION-2152: Review ttml profiles for internet media
> subtitles and captions 1.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.1/
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> apa-ACTION-2152: Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and
> captions 1.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.1/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_tr_ttml-2Dimsc1.1_&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=_twnAUM5BAMJpVytuWv6ts1wz0zDkzWYyY9uBSPvhQ0&e=>
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> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2152
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_APA_track_actions_2152&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=TFjLK2MTtavXY-QpGfMqx4AqfgRWDx-26NHzY2fkaHc&s=8QEZVhDHzFoz8qNcSpVz9_jSnEV-1BysXKb_LH8IJ2Q&e=>
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> Assigned to: Gottfried Zimmermann
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Received on Friday, 23 August 2019 16:29:54 UTC