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Re: Motivations

From: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 09:20:16 -0800
Message-ID: <CABP7Rbci35N=YbHVa0SxyJ23Q8EncUkX+G9q2yUziSmHO5ouug@mail.gmail.com>
To: Benjamin Young <bigbluehat@hypothes.is>
Cc: Web Annotation <public-annotation@w3.org>, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu>
On Feb 2, 2015 9:12 AM, "Benjamin Young" <bigbluehat@hypothes.is> wrote:
>
> Here's a historic post (and subsequent thread) for reference:
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Oct/0002.html
>
> Looks like it was post #2 to the original mailing list. :)
>
> Right now things read pretty well (if they are a bit atypical) such as:
> "has motivation describing"
>
> Whereas "has motivation describe" doesn't read so good.
>

Using the infinitive form, there'd be an implied "to" in there: "has
motivation '[to] describe'", " has motivation '[to] bookmark'".

Using the gerundive form, there's an implied "of": "has motivation [of]
'describing'", " has motivation [of] 'bookmarking'".

I'd argue that the former reads much better than the latter.

- James

> Ray's posts in this thread do seem to highlight a desire he has (and
likely many others have) to "sub-class" (at some level) an Annotation into
a bookmark, highlight, etc. and the "legibility" of "annotation has
motivation bookmarking" feels pretty odd in the current landscape--however
accurate it may be.
>
> So...if we keep "hasMotivation" as written, I'd vote against changing
from "bookmarking" (etc).
>
> If we choose to change "describing" to "description" then we should
change "hasMotivation" also, so that the whole is more legible.
>
> "annotation is a description" reads nicely...but then looks like
sub-classing.
>
> Likely any UI or (non-SPARQL or similar) code will actually contain
sub-class style objects, UI ephemera, etc.
>
> In sum:
>
> Ray's original motivation was improving our cosmetics:
> "This is a cosmetic suggestion: I find these gerund construction a bit
awkward, and would prefer “straight” nouns, as in the following table."
>
> Would this change do that without farther reaching consequences?
>
> Curious. Mostly. :)
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>> -1 from me I'm afraid. Motivation is less about the "type" of the
annotation than the role that the body is playing in the annotation. When
it comes to specialization's of annotation I find it to be a slippery slope
of conflating role of body with structure of annotation.
>>
>> My preference is thereby for the verb form, and specifically the gerund
because :_anno1 oa:hasMotivation oa:Tagging sounds better than :_anno1
oa:hasMotivation oa:Tag. This was the kind of discussion that led to the
creation of motivation in the community group to start with.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jacob
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can go either way but I do have a preference for the noun form.
That's because I like to think of the "type" of an annotation.  It's a
bookmark,  or it's a tag, or it's a review.
>>>
>>> I do understand the reason why we don't (that is, no longer) want to
talk about the type of an annotation: because it is too suggestive of
rdf:type, i.e. the RDF class, and the class of an annotation no longer
applies (i.e. we are discouraged from subclassing oa:Annotation).  Still,
if we can get past that, I'd prefer the noun form.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Bill Kasdorf [mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com]
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:03 AM
>>> > To: Denenberg, Ray; 'James M Snell'
>>> > Cc: 'Web Annotation'
>>> > Subject: RE: Motivations
>>> >
>>> > I support both of these changes, which results in (to be less formally
>>> > grammatical) a clear, simple, active verb (not a noun). In fact I
read your list
>>> > that way at first, because "bookmark" can be both, but when I got to
>>> > "classification" and "description" I realized (as you clearly
stated!) that you
>>> > were proposing nouns. I like this move, but to use verbs. So yes, I'd
drop the
>>> > "to."
>>> > --Bill K
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Denenberg, Ray [mailto:rden@loc.gov]
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 10:48 AM
>>> > To: 'James M Snell'
>>> > Cc: 'Web Annotation'
>>> > Subject: RE: Motivations
>>> >
>>> > Yes I nearly suggested the infinitive form instead, but didn't know
what to do
>>> > with the "to" part.  I.e. the infinitive form of "bookmarking" is "to
bookmark".
>>> > I suppose you just drop the "to"?
>>> >
>>> > Ray
>>> >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: James M Snell [mailto:jasnell@gmail.com]
>>> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 10:41 AM
>>> > > To: Denenberg, Ray
>>> > > Cc: Web Annotation
>>> > > Subject: Re: Motivations
>>> > >
>>> > > Speaking from the sidelines... I would strongly support this. With
>>> > > Activity Streams, it was decided very early on that it would be
better
>>> > > to use the infinitive form of activity verbs in nearly all cases. I
>>> > > would take this one step further and suggest "classify" to
>>> > > "classification"; "describe" for "description"; "identify" for
"identifier"; and
>>> > "moderate" for "moderation".
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The motivations listed in 3.4 of the model, “bookmarking”,
>>> > > > “classifying”, and so on …
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > This is a cosmetic suggestion: I find these gerund construction a
>>> > > > bit awkward, and would prefer “straight” nouns, as in the
following table.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Current Motivation
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Would Become:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > bookmarking
>>> > > >
>>> > > > bookmark
>>> > > >
>>> > > > classifying
>>> > > >
>>> > > > classification
>>> > > >
>>> > > > commenting
>>> > > >
>>> > > > comment
>>> > > >
>>> > > > describing
>>> > > >
>>> > > > description
>>> > > >
>>> > > > editing
>>> > > >
>>> > > > edit
>>> > > >
>>> > > > highlighting
>>> > > >
>>> > > > highlight
>>> > > >
>>> > > > identifying
>>> > > >
>>> > > > identifier
>>> > > >
>>> > > > moderating
>>> > > >
>>> > > > moderation
>>> > > >
>>> > > > questioning
>>> > > >
>>> > > > question
>>> > > >
>>> > > > replying
>>> > > >
>>> > > > reply
>>> > > >
>>> > > > tagging
>>> > > >
>>> > > > tag
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Is there support for this change?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Ray
>>
>>
>
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