- From: Daniel Campos Ramos <danielcamposramos.68@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2025 16:15:10 -0300
- To: public-aikr@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org, paoladimaio10@googlemail.com, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>, Milton Ponson <rwiciamsd@gmail.com>
- Message-ID: <d723055f-9770-4e5d-b6ca-b165c2c154a5@gmail.com>
Milton, Paola, Dave, semantic‑web all, (cross‑posted to public-aikr@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org) thank you, Paola, for sharing the DCMI 2025 talk and the screen recording. Watching them together makes the AI‑KR trajectory quite clear: mapping the KR domain (upper ontologies, KR languages/formalisms, KRL, reliability, AI safety) and building vocabularies that can act as subject‑index metadata over that conceptual space. I fully agree that we need a shared language for KR and KRL, and that concepts like truth maintenance/preservation and reliability engineering have been under‑represented in AI safety standards. Where my work (K3D) comes at this from a different angle is that I’ve been operating one layer under vocabularies—what I sometimes call the “meaning‑sphere” versus the “word‑sphere”: The vocabularies you’re building curate words and terms for KR and KRL. As I shared in my last note, we’ve just completed a small training run in K3D to construct such atomic elements explicitly, without relying on natural‑language tokenization as the primary substrate. Cross‑modality is compositional: we store visual and mathematical programs in the same atomic unit and retrieve that composite object, rather than projecting everything into a single token embedding space. There is*no natural‑language tokenization step in the LLM sense*; *form and meaning live in separate, well‑defined program domains* (visual RPN and execution RPN), *with natural language sitting on top rather than being the primary representation*. *Fusion happens via the 3D contract (the “star”)*, not by collapsing everything into one NL vector space. For those who asked earlier for state‑of‑the‑art context: this line of work sits in the same space as current neuro‑symbolic / KR literature (e.g. methodological frameworks for symbolic/NSI reasoning and verification, surveys on neuro‑symbolic knowledge integration), the trustworthiness/terminology baselines in ISO/IEC 22989:2022, and recent Green AI work on lifecycle efficiency and carbon impact. The atomic‑unit construction above is just one concrete instantiation of those ideas for a small visual/math domain of discourse. Looking ahead, this atomic‑unit validation is just a first step. The same construction scales naturally from ASCII+math to full Unicode, full character set across multiple scripts (Latin, CJK, Arabic, Devanagari, indigenous scripts, etc.), with script‑specific visual RPN families but the same set‑theoretic pattern for atomic units. The goal is true multi‑language KR at the character level, including the “invisible giants” of low‑resource and indigenous languages that tokenization‑based LLMs systematically underserve: each writing system gets explicit, executable atoms for form and meaning, rather than being squeezed through an English‑centric tokenizer. *On the openness point*: in a public Web context, *any open work*—whether vocabularies, diagrams, or code—*will be reused by others*. That’s the *nature of the medium*, *especially in a world where our email and collaboration tools are themselves mining data in the background*. *My way* of dealing with this *is to lean into clear licensing and attribution rather than tight access control*: K3D is Apache‑2.0 for code, CC‑BY‑4.0 for docs, and designed to run locally on mid‑range hardware. The long‑term aim is for K3D to be to the spatial / neuro‑symbolic web what Apache was to the hypertext web: a concrete, inspectable implementation that anyone can run, study, and build on, whether or not they ever talk to me. To make it easier to explore the intersection between AI‑KR, Semantic Web work, ISO terminology, Green AI, and K3D, I’ve assembled a public NotebookLM workspace that aggregates: AI‑KR wiki pages, reports, and mail threads (via the public list), KR / NSI / Green AI papers and blog posts, ISO/IEC 22989 commentary, and the K3D technical repo link. You can find it here: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/80d00386-4b7d-4893-ae84-1c5f90c223de *NotebookLM auto‑builds* mind maps, quizzes, a video overview, an audio/podcast‑style overview, summary reports, *and offers a central chat where you can ask a Gemini model questions grounded by the collected sources (RAG)*. It’s just a shared research aid, not any kind of “official” document. If Paola, Carl, or anyone from AI‑KR or semantic‑web chairs would like editor rights (e.g., to add vocab drafts, slides, or additional references), I’m happy to add you; that way, even if you don’t have time to read everything manually, you can still query and explore the landscape in one place. From my side, I see these efforts as complementary: AI‑KR vocabularies and concept maps live in the “word‑sphere”, helping people talk precisely about KR, KRL, and AI safety. K3D lives in the “meaning‑sphere”, where those words line up with explicit, executable structures and domains of discourse that humans and machines can both navigate and inspect—locally, on real hardware, today. If the CGs ultimately decide that this implementation layer is out of scope, that’s perfectly fine; K3D will continue as an open case study. But given the shared focus on knowledge representation, learning, reliability, and Web semantics, I hope the atomic‑unit work and the broader spatial KR architecture can serve as one concrete example of how vocabulary‑level work (AI‑KR, semantic‑web) can be grounded in running systems that are explainable, efficient, and accessible by design. Best regards, Daniel PS: Paola I forgot to include the AI generated subtitles and from that the extracted text line by line files to aid you, you'll find them attached (SRT for time and text - video subtitle, TXT only text no time, DOCX similar to SRT).
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