Re: from reliability engineering to trustworhy AI, transposing concepts and terms

This is good to hear, Paola! I have been making progress with the NLP 
system to view and help develop vocabularies, and hope I'll be able to 
apply it when you publish your list of terms.

On 13/05/2025 03:20, Paola Di Maio wrote:
> I have finally boiled down a rationale and long list of terms that in my 
> understanding is representative of the KR domain
>   for the purpose having a first stab at the AI KR vocabulary,  Keeping 
> in mind that my concern is reliability/trustworthyness
> 
>   I ll soon share it for evaluation and discussion
> 
> I want to apologise to everyone who tried to figure out what I have been 
> working on and how from my messy messages
> I assure you I can explain -)
> 
>   I had some off list exchanges trying to figure out what would be the 
> best knowledge sources to start extracting terms from
> It has been an epistemological challenge - because KR is so vast and has 
> so many facets
> 
> I d like to share a paper that explains how 'reliability engineering' 
> concerns can be transposed to trustworthy AI
> *the correctness of the AI system is a priority for KR
> So in addition to a bunch of terms /concepts from related domains 
> *Description Logic for example  I am including in our AI KR
> terms from reliability engineering,
> 
> Afef Awadid, Kahina Amokrane-Ferka, Henri Sohier, Juliette Mattioli, 
> Faouzi Adjed, et al..
> *AI Systems Trustworthiness Assessment: *State of the Art. Workshop on 
> Model-based System Engineering
> and AI, 12th International Conference on Model-Based Software and 
> Systems Engineering (Model-
> sward), Feb 2024, Rome, Italy. �hal-04400795�
> 
> https://hal.science/hal-04400795/document <https://hal.science/ 
> hal-04400795/document>
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Peter Rivett* <pete.rivett@federatedknowledge.com 
> <mailto:pete.rivett@federatedknowledge.com>>
> Date: Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 5:28 AM
> 
> To: Chris Harding <chris@lacibus.net <mailto:chris@lacibus.net>>, Paola 
> Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>>
> Cc: John F. Sowa <sowa@bestweb.net <mailto:sowa@bestweb.net>>
> 
> 
> Good progress, though I'd add some concerns...
> 
>  1.
>     I'm not sure our objective is useful "The minimal set of concepts
>     necessary for an automated system (say any
>      >     AI) to function correctly (and not spuriously or incorrectly)
>     which are
>      >     not understood/captured/defined by existing AI standards"
>     characterises
>      >     what we are looking for.
> 
>   1.
>     In general an AI needs to understand concepts related to its problem
>     area not AI generally. The vocabulary we're building I'd say is
>     general, and I'd say its purpose is for "discussing, comparing,
>     evaluating and characterizing AI systems themselves" which is quite
>     different.
> 
>  1.
>     B ) We need to somehow decide which reference work should be
>     considered authoritative for which type of term. For example I
>     wouldn't say John Sowa is very definitive for "object oriented
>     system" and that's reflected in the rather limited definition (IMO,
>     speaking as someone well versed in OO)
> 
> C) we need to beware merging multiple definitions into a single one - 
> since we'll end up with something that is not quotable or attributable. 
> Worse, it could munge two quite different meanings e.g. "bank: a 
> financial institution located on the side of a river or stream". Better, 
> I think, to keep the definitions separate, maybe with a score if that 
> can be automated, for subsequent selection by human expertise
> 
> Pete
> 
> Pete Rivett (pete.rivett@federatedknowledge.com 
> <mailto:pete.rivett@federatedknowledge.com>)
> Federated Knowledge, LLC (LEI 98450013F6D4AFE18E67)
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Chris Harding <chris@lacibus.net <mailto:chris@lacibus.net>>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 10:09 AM
> *To:* Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com 
> <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* Peter Rivett <pete.rivett@federatedknowledge.com 
> <mailto:pete.rivett@federatedknowledge.com>>; John F. Sowa 
> <sowa@bestweb.net <mailto:sowa@bestweb.net>>
> *Subject:* Re: John Sowa s Book. attached
> Thanks, Paola, see in line below.
> 
> O

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Regards,
Chris
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Chris Harding
Chief Executive, Lacibus Ltd

Received on Wednesday, 14 May 2025 08:00:57 UTC