- From: Patrick Logan <patrickdlogan@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:33:32 -0700
- To: Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
- Cc: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com, W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAD_aa--Ngc3vp=VRk7CAovZ6GYdrm8PxweCvKJPk-spijYDTwQ@mail.gmail.com>
There are several terms here without even semi-formal definitions that are doing a lot of work, i.e. your claims are vague and difficult to discuss clearly let alone measure and assess. Given the wide berth of interpretation it's especially bold to claim a false dichotomy of either one agrees with your "facts" or one is relying on "faith". On Mon, Oct 23, 2023, 10:42 AM Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> wrote: > From the AI KR and computational view consciousness isn’t a hard problem. > Subjective experience distils to information processing with systems of > neurons. Redness is just a vector of neural activation. Agents have > situational awareness, i.e. a model of their current environment and goals, > enabling them to decide on what actions to take. This also includes models > of other agent’s beliefs and goals, i.e. a theory of mind. Agents also > benefit from a model of past, present and future, i.e. a functional > episodic memory that complements encyclopaedic memory, such as birds fly > and dogs bark. Episodic memory enables agents to reason about cause and > effect, to understand intent, and to create and adapt plans. > > However, this won’t convince everyone. Plenty of people have beliefs that > are a matter of faith rather than of facts. That’s fine. But engineering > and science doesn’t work that way! AI will continue to evolve and AGI is > just a matter of time. I attach a picture that makes the point. A > stochastic synthesis of ideas as evidence that artistic sensibility can be > reduced to neural processing. > > > > On 22 Oct 2023, at 05:38, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Consciousness is too huge a topic . Undecidable, too much can be said > about without ever reaching any conclusion, possibly because no single > theory or point of view can exhaust the subject. However > > I d like to suggest simply that it is tackled only in relation to AI KR. > Surely. consciousness is relevant to AI and to KR discussion and potential > standards. We should keep that in mind where possible and parsimoniously > limit our considerations accordingly > > > > I ll leave it to Carl to liaise with the WoT group, since he is a member > there and brought up the subject. > > I ll work on tidying up some of the resources shared on the list into > some form of coherent narrative when I can, that is my next task > > Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> > > >
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