Re: AI for Understanding Human Goals

apologies for the sending fragmented thoughts but..
adding to the catalogue

   - law enforcement that uses the law to persecute the innocent and
   protect the criminals
   - legal organisations that use illegal means to achieve their goals
   - inscrutable organisations above the law who should protect citizens
   privacy actually acquire and use person data

I dont think more secrecy is the answer to address this level of embedded
perversion and criminality tho
its an old argument
but yest, I  learn at my expense to be more discerning :-)
etc etc etc



On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 1:31 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris another thought on the need for business secrecy
> I am not talking about healthy competition, reasonable caution, etc
> Through this work in KR I am compiling a whole catalogue of situations
> where misrepresentation
> causes harm, and is now becoiming embedded into system through algorithms
> For example situations where companies acquire public funding and public
> support to
> operate against legitimate goals or against the constitution for example
> (very common)
>   organisations that are set up to say, protect human rights but then
> run networks of slavery and human trafficking.  etc etc etc
> There is an important role for KR in idetifying and exposing these cases
> and of course, I d like to see AI do that, so that individuals do not have
> to risk their lives
> :-) working on it
> PDM
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 12:21 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have become aware of horrible things going on
>>
>> like people promoting openness, actually operating secretly with aims
>> other than the ones they state
>>
>> or people encouraging the publication of open information so that they
>> can manipulate
>> it nd use it against those who published it
>>
>> In short, I am staring at evil all the time and have seen how openness
>> has become another instrument of evil
>> by distortion.
>> Thats a long discussion. KR is central in mitigating this phenomenon.
>> this is why I am devoting efforts
>>
>> However, when it comes to public administrations , their goals and
>> strategies should be openly and explicitly represented
>> to enable its monitoring and public scrutiny and so that manipulations
>> and distortions can become visible
>>
>> Problem is that when someone does so (like whistleblowers) the system
>> retaliates, detains those who point out
>> discrepancies and obvious truths
>>
>> I guess I dream of an AI system that automatically monitors and flags
>> when the goals and strategies of public administrations and corporations do
>> not match the actual actions and events.
>>
>> When such an intelligent general AI system spots when a government says
>> something then does another, and brings it up
>> automatically an UN meetings, it will be a great day for AI.
>>
>> I think stratml may come handy then :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> In any event, the Skeptics Society's about statement is now available in
>> StratML format at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#SKPTCS
>>
>> haha :-)
>>
>>
>> PDM
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:19 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A reasonable degree of skepticism is good and, yes, many of us may
>>> prefer not to share our plans with others -- particularly if we're trying
>>> to out-compete them in the marketplace, we're not actually sure what our
>>> goals are, we're afraid of being embarrassed by not achieving them, or we'd
>>> rather just wait and see what happens as a result of whatever we decide to
>>> do from time to time.
>>>
>>> However, it would be interesting to learn:
>>>
>>> a) how U.S. federal agencies might justify failing to comply with a law
>>> directing them to publish their performance plans and reports in
>>> machine-readable format,
>>>
>>> b) whether tax-exempt charities who share their impact data might
>>> attract more donations than those who don't, and
>>>
>>> c) if publishing CSR reports in open, standard, machine-readable format
>>> might help make them more than merely feel-good marketing pieces.
>>>
>>> A skeptic might also question whether we as individuals might be
>>> engaging in artificial ignorance
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/artificial-ignorance-owen-ambur/> and
>>> fooling ourselves by failing to document and share our objective with those
>>> whose assistance may be required.
>>>
>>> One way or another, the results (or lack thereof) will speak for
>>> themselves.  The question is whether anyone will be listening ... and how
>>> hard it is to "hear" what those results might be.  (If a tree falls in
>>> the forest <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest>
>>> ...)
>>>
>>> In any event, the Skeptics Society's about statement is now available in
>>> StratML format at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#SKPTCS
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On 1/30/2021 11:39 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>> Dear Paola, Chris, Owen and other members of the list.
>>>
>>> I agree totally with not getting stuck in an infinite (To) Do Loop.
>>>
>>> The problem stated by Paola is very real, and has only become worse
>>> because of the COVID-19 pandemic and ensuing chaos and lack of consensus
>>> based resolve to move forwards towards a different business as usual in
>>> tackling, overcoming or learning to deal with COVID-19 in the background
>>> forever, as hinted by the CEO of Moderna and countless other medical
>>> experts and scientists.
>>>
>>> The pandemic has also laid bare many wrongs, like the inequalities
>>> stratification in demographic, ethnic and income groups in society, and
>>> thanks to Timnit Gebru, fired from Google, we are now also painfully aware
>>> how this is reflected in AI algorithms used in many real-time commercial,
>>> industrial and even scientific settings for a wide range of applications.
>>>
>>> On a personal note, I was pissed to learn on my birthday, January 28,
>>> that the participants of the virtual Davos World Economic Forum, had
>>> concluded that "The Great Reset" was needed.
>>>
>>> If anyone is familiar with the publications of the World Economic Forum
>>> and books co-authored by its chairman Klaus Schwab, is that this proposed
>>> "Great Reset" will usher in a Brave New World, much like the one touted by
>>> Aldous Huxley in which artificial intelligence will be even more
>>> inappropriately used.
>>>
>>> Chris is also right, total transparency won't work in business settings,
>>> because of the obvious need to guard patents, processes and intellectual
>>> properties.
>>>
>>> I checked on the status of the Creative Commons and Science Commons
>>> projects and to my dismay found them to be withering away.
>>>
>>> When we look at the very competitive world of academic and open science
>>> publishing, pre-print and unreviewed publications, often through
>>> arxiv.org have become a de facto norm in particular for anything
>>> scientifically related to the wide spectrum of issues of COVID-19.
>>>
>>> IMHO the way forward is to in our W3 AIKR CG set some goals, and focus
>>> on deliverables, and above all publish articles, or collective works, and
>>> in close collaboration with the steering bodies of the W3, determine the
>>> most appropriate modus operandi for making our thoughts, academic and
>>> research and other efforts known to the academic, scientific and corporate
>>> worlds at large.
>>>
>>> The pursuit of science requires openness, open access to critical
>>> information, and if you can prove that any thought or intellectual work
>>> committed to paper or a digital file, has a time stamp and verifiable proof
>>> of author attached to it, you should be covered by international copyright
>>> laws.
>>>
>>> In my country I can submit any intellectual or artistic work to the
>>> national Intellectual Property Office, and receive time stamped proof of
>>> submission and printed and authenticated proof of intellectual property.
>>> This in accordance with international treaties can be used to settle any
>>> disputes about intellectual property rights, in or leading up to patent
>>> right procedures.
>>>
>>> In line with the Skeptics Society's claims about the pursuit of science,
>>> we are forced to work with our peers, bounce off ideas, and in the process
>>> incur the wrath, scorn, rejection or attempts of intellectual property
>>> theft by our peers. Nothing new there.
>>>
>>> Three quotes from Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> "The ideals which have lighted me on my way and time after time given me
>>> new courage to face life cheerfully, have been truth, goodness, and beauty."
>>>
>>> "Three rules of work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find
>>> harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity."
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving."
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021, 7:43:13 AM AST, Chris Fox
>>> <chris@chriscfox.com> <chris@chriscfox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Paola,
>>>
>>> I run a virtual networking group for business strategists which meets
>>> weekly to discuss issues of interest.
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago we discussed the topic of transparency versus secrecy in
>>> business strategy. You can see some summary notes of the discussion at
>>> https://www.stratnavapp.com/Articles/transparency . Although we focused
>>> on business strategy, I am sure you can extrapolate much of it to goals in
>>> general.
>>>
>>> The conclusion, if you don't want to read the whole thing:
>>>
>>>    - Whilst there are many advantages in transparency, there may be
>>>    commercial or legal/regulatory reasons for maintaining some secrecy.
>>>    - Where we have discretion there may be a balance to be struck. The
>>>    right balance will depend on the degree of alignment between the different
>>>    stakeholder groups.
>>>
>>> I am sure we'd all love to live in a world where everyone shares and
>>> works in harmony towards common goals. But the truth is that the world is
>>> more messy than that.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 at 05:39, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Owen, I have had some realization that leads me to reconsider
>>> Sharing goals and strategies works in cooperative environments, while
>>> much of the world we live in is adversarial, in some cases, viciously so
>>> When we expose our goals and strategies, it turns out someone out there
>>> may have
>>> made their goals and strategy to outsmart you, and you are providing
>>> them the means
>>> for the to do so
>>> I never thought this would be possible, I never thought someone would
>>> make their sole goal in life
>>> to prove me wrong, but looking back I suspect it has happened, and still
>>> happens today
>>> The more I am hones and open, the more someone leads me into exploiting
>>> these feautures to achieve their goal
>>> which is to prevent me from achieving my goals . It took me a lifetime
>>> to figure out.
>>> So let me think again :-)
>>>
>>> Lets share our goals and strategies only within certain boundaries, and
>>> in the meantime
>>> I think keeping our personal goals closely guarded in our hearts works
>>> best, although
>>> surely someone may try to steal them as well
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Let me think
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 6:22 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Paola, while "adequacy" depends upon subjective judgment, it seems to me
>>> that documenting human goals in open, standard, machine-readable format
>>> might be a good step along the way toward deciding where we'd like to go
>>> next.
>>>
>>> Conversely, it seems to me that failing to do so leaves us hung up in a
>>> pointless Do Loop.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2021 10:57 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>> > when it comes to stratml, is it adequate to represent human goals?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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