Re: AI for Understanding Human Goals

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Dear Paola, Chris, Owen and other members of the list.
I agree totally with not getting stuck in an infinite (To) Do Loop.
The problem stated by Paola is very real, and has only become worse because of the COVID-19 pandemic and ensuing chaos and lack of consensus based resolve to move forwards towards a different business as usual in tackling, overcoming or learning to deal with COVID-19 in the background forever, as hinted by the CEO of Moderna and countless other medical experts and scientists.
The pandemic has also laid bare many wrongs, like the inequalities stratification in demographic, ethnic and income groups in society, and thanks to Timnit Gebru, fired from Google, we are now also painfully aware how this is reflected in AI algorithms used in many real-time commercial, industrial and even scientific settings for a wide range of applications.

On a personal note, I was pissed to learn on my birthday, January 28, that the participants of the virtual Davos World Economic Forum, had concluded that "The Great Reset" was needed.
If anyone is familiar with the publications of the World Economic Forum and books co-authored by its chairman Klaus Schwab, is that this proposed "Great Reset" will usher in a Brave New World, much like the one touted by Aldous Huxley in which artificial intelligence will be even more inappropriately used.
Chris is also right, total transparency won't work in business settings, because of the obvious need to guard patents, processes and intellectual properties.
I checked on the status of the Creative Commons and Science Commons projects and to my dismay found them to be withering away.
When we look at the very competitive world of academic and open science publishing, pre-print and unreviewed publications, often through arxiv.org have become a de facto norm in particular for anything scientifically related to the wide spectrum of issues of COVID-19.
IMHO the way forward is to in our W3 AIKR CG set some goals, and focus on deliverables, and above all publish articles, or collective works, and in close collaboration with the steering bodies of the W3, determine the most appropriate modus operandi for making our thoughts, academic and research and other efforts known to the academic, scientific and corporate worlds at large.

The pursuit of science requires openness, open access to critical information, and if you can prove that any thought or intellectual work committed to paper or a digital file, has a time stamp and verifiable proof of author attached to it, you should be covered by international copyright laws.
In my country I can submit any intellectual or artistic work to the national Intellectual Property Office, and receive time stamped proof of submission and printed and authenticated proof of intellectual property. This in accordance with international treaties can be used to settle any disputes about intellectual property rights, in or leading up to patent right procedures.
In line with the Skeptics Society's claims about the pursuit of science, we are forced to work with our peers, bounce off ideas, and in the process incur the wrath, scorn, rejection or attempts of intellectual property theft by our peers. Nothing new there.

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    On Saturday, January 30, 2021, 7:43:13 AM AST, Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com> wrote:  
 
 Paola,
I run a virtual networking group for business strategists which meets weekly to discuss issues of interest.
A few weeks ago we discussed the topic of transparency versus secrecy in business strategy. You can see some summary notes of the discussion at https://www.stratnavapp.com/Articles/transparency . Although we focused on business strategy, I am sure you can extrapolate much of it to goals in general.
The conclusion, if you don't want to read the whole thing:   
   - Whilst there are many advantages in transparency, there may be commercial or legal/regulatory reasons for maintaining some secrecy.
   - Where we have discretion there may be a balance to be struck. The right balance will depend on the degree of alignment between the different stakeholder groups.
I am sure we'd all love to live in a world where everyone shares and works in harmony towards common goals. But the truth is that the world is more messy than that.
Kind Regards,Chris

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 at 05:39, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:

Owen, I have had some realization that leads me to reconsiderSharing goals and strategies works in cooperative environments, whilemuch of the world we live in is adversarial, in some cases, viciously soWhen we expose our goals and strategies, it turns out someone out there may havemade their goals and strategy to outsmart you, and you are providing them the meansfor the to do soI never thought this would be possible, I never thought someone would make their sole goal in lifeto prove me wrong, but looking back I suspect it has happened, and still happens todayThe more I am hones and open, the more someone leads me into exploiting these feautures to achieve their goalwhich is to prevent me from achieving my goals . It took me a lifetime to figure out.So let me think again :-)
Lets share our goals and strategies only within certain boundaries, and in the meantimeI think keeping our personal goals closely guarded in our hearts works best, althoughsurely someone may try to steal them as well
:-)
Let me think
PDM

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 6:22 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:

Paola, while "adequacy" depends upon subjective judgment, it seems to me 
that documenting human goals in open, standard, machine-readable format 
might be a good step along the way toward deciding where we'd like to go 
next.

Conversely, it seems to me that failing to do so leaves us hung up in a 
pointless Do Loop.

Owen

On 1/26/2021 10:57 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
> when it comes to stratml, is it adequate to represent human goals?




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