Re: HL7 and FHIR

All;
    I'm ready to rescind my statement about HL7 version 3 being partly unimplementable. But I would like you to understand why. The original intent of HL7 version three was not only to be an ontology -the data store of medical entities- like HL7 version 2 was (and still is). But version 3 was designed to be an object oriented ontology to: 
a) be able to be the storer and performer of executables to enact the rules, limits and constraints of those entities and the protocols (use-cases) and messages on those entities; 
AND 
b) to also monitor, measure and if necessary change the environment around it. 
    Nobody had a clear path into that and so I made the statement I made. 
    However, now that I have done some research into current database platforms I find that there are changes significant enough to make me retract my earlier statement. MongoDb, for example, can execute ECMA (AKA JavaScript) from within its own platform. that coupled with JQuery, strongly moves it away from a simple ontological database.

I know most on this group is centered on the processes of HL7 but I raised my concerns about the technical ability to implement it.

Thanks
PAUL ALAGNA
PJAlagna@Gmail.com <mailto:PJAlagna@gmail.com>
732-322-5641

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Wow. This is one area in which I have a vested interest as well. Within a couple of days I will be able to send a link to this list to a web site listing potential projects dealing with integrative care and smart personalized (health) care.
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> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 6:31:07 AM AST, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> wrote:
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> I am participating in the European H2020 project named GATEKEEPER which is focused on smart personal healthcare. HL7 is a member of the project. We’re looking at combining the Web of Things, FHIR, semantic technologies and more in a variety of pilots.  FHIR is essential a means to use RESTful interfaces to access healthcare related data in a variety of formats, e.g. JSON-LD. There is a body of work on healthcare related ontologies.  Here is a pointer to FHIR by the UK’s NHS, and the overview from FHIR itself:
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>  https://digital.nhs.uk/services/fhir-apis <https://digital.nhs.uk/services/fhir-apis>
>  https://www.hl7.org/fhir/overview.html <https://www.hl7.org/fhir/overview.html>
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> A major challenge is how to integrate heterogeneous data sources whilst avoiding a loss of valuable information due to differences in vocabularies, data quality, context and so forth.
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>> On 17 Jan 2020, at 02:01, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Thanks for posting and welcome
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>> I'm lurking on this list and I find the set of topics large and bewildering.
>> WATCH THIS SPACE!! 
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>> > HL7 v3 can not be fully implemented with the current state of Object Databases.
>> Perhaps expound a little on how can AI KR solve this problem. 
>> some of us may have no idea what is HL7 , Please explain more
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>> Thanks!!!!
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>> PDM
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>> I'm interested in HL7 and in particular FHIR. 
>> FHIR has an RDF/JSONLD representation, and the schema is represented as SHEX (amongst several other implementations, including JSON/JSON schema, XML/RelaxNG etc).
>> I think this is a very interesting piece of work and I'm interested in collaborations.
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>> Cheers!
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> Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org <mailto:dsr@w3.org>> http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett <http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett>
> W3C Data Activity Lead & W3C champion for the Web of things 
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