Re: Getting organized

Paola, your message prompted me to take another look at the group's website: https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/.  I see the vocabulary spreadsheet and the input form, which apparently has not been used recently.  I also see there are 48 nominal participants in the group.  However, so far this month only 7 have engaged in discussion in the public listserv.
Yes, the group's plan, together with a number of other W3C plans, is available in StratML format at http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#W3C  Your message prompted me to create a commentable version of the plan at http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/AIKRCGforComment.xml  The mailto links on each goal and objective address comments to the public listserv.
A link that opens the plan/report in an XForm for editing is also available at http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#AIKRCG  Unfortunately, the means do not yet exist to enable collaborative editing and saving of the file.  However, my incentive to update and maintain it will depend in large measure on the degree to which members of the group make contributions worth reporting.
It would be good to hear from those who have not contributed lately what might motivate them to do so.  I invite them to use the commentable version of the plan to focus any comments they may wish to offer.
Owen Amburhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
To: Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net>
Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>; alan <alan@docugami.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2019 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Getting organized

Dear Owen and all

Here are the inital set of goals and worksheets to be populated
https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/
You can add, edit, populate. I ll do so whith the outcomes of my
research related work

Owen I think at some point you arleady generated stratml for at least
some of our group documents,
Do you have a directory of all the stratml pages you generate and is
searchable?

I ll look into Docugami but in principle I think tools are nice to
have, but the essence of the work
must be done by people on paper (or digital sheets) before thinking of tools

 I would not want to engage in a tool before we have some stuff to
share, because that would be
like spending a energy to maintain a vehicle without going anywhere :-(

I am working on two research publications, and some teaching materials
which I can share  but also sidelined slightly by other unrelated work

I can only encourage group members who have related stuff to share to
enter their links in some in the worksheet provided, and to post their
slides and thoughts here if relevant to the mission

Stratml rendered docs  are useful and welcome, but not the goal of the
group per se

Thanks!
PDM


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:43 PM Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Paola, I don't have the energy to sort through the "various documents and repositories on the Groups web page" to discover the goals and render them in StratML format.
>
> However, the W3C's business and community groups charters are among the documents to which I have suggested that Docugami consider applying their AI tools -- to do for the W3C what it seems unwilling or incapable of doing for itself.
>
> BTW, I also find GitHub pretty cryptic.  If we really want to "get others to comment," more user-friendly tools will be required, e.g., a Google group discussion forum focusing on the goals themselves, rather than amorphous "dialogue".
>
> If this group has a plan and would like to engage others in providing feedback on it, I will be happy to render it in StratML format, apply the for-comment stylesheet, and set up a Google group discussion forum like the one at http://connectedcommunity.net/HHI.html
>
> Needless to say, I'd love to see someone else provide better means of engaging stakeholders in pursuit of common and complementary objectives -- by enabling actual inputs required to achieve the objectives, rather than merely comments about them.
>
> Owen Ambur
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> To: Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net>
> Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2019 12:03 am
> Subject: Re: Getting organized
>
> Milton and all
>
> there are goals and various documents and repositories on the Groups web page. I am working on one or two of those items, in relation to my research, and will be happy to share the outcomes when I have progress.
> The rest is free for group members to edit, add, create
> etc.  The only thing that we should do get others to comment on people inputs/actions/outcomes
>
> PDM
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 8:19 AM Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your kind remarks, Milton.
>
> The sustainable development goals (SDGs) are already available in StratML format at http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#UN or, more specifically, http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/UNSDGwStyle.xml  Each goal and objective has a GUID that can be referenced in other, supportive plans, thereby documenting virtual partnerships.
>
> See, for example, SDG:
>
> Objective 17.6: Cooperation & Knowledge - Enhance North-South, South-South and triangular regional and international cooperation on and access to science, technology and innovation and enhance knowledge sharing on mutually agreed terms, including through improved coordination among existing mechanisms, in particular at the United Nations level, and through a global technology facilitation mechanism
>
>
> See also StratML use cases:
>
> Goal 14: Partnerships & Multi-Organization Groups - Use the Relationship elements to cross-reference common and complementary objectives in the plans of each member of a partnership, consortium, or other informal group.
> Goal 18: Virtual Organizations - Create virtual organizations as implementers of the goals and objectives documented on the Web in StratML format by their participants.
>
>
> If this group had a plan, the stratml:Relationship elements could be used to strategically align (literally link) its objective(s) to the SDGs.  This form could be used to do that:  http://stratml.us/forms/Part2Form.xml
>
> As far as the W3C is concerned, I am about to give up on them as well.  From my perspective, they're starting to look pretty artificially ignorant (of their own XML standard, for example).  I'm beginning to think the organization may have outlived its usefulness, if not assumed the role of defending the incumbent powers-that-be rather than stimulating openness and innovation.
>
> On the other hand, of course, I am also quite aware of my own limitations and am open to learning the weaknesses of my knowledge as well as the errors of my logic and understanding.
>
> BTW, with respect to applying AI make sense of documents, I'm looking forward to seeing what Jean Paoli and his Docugami colleagues can do.  However, to the degree that humans (and organization like the UN) insist on continuing to produce amorphous documentation, if any documentation at all, the ability of AI agents to make sense of it is limited.  For example, even though all strategic plans contain essentially the same content, AI agents may not be able to parse out the goals, objectives, and stakeholders if the content is haphazardly formatted.  No doubt, someday they will have such capabilities, but in the meantime, the question arises as to why we insist upon making it so hard for AI agents to help us accomplish our objectives.
>
> Owen Ambur
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>
> To: public-aikr <public-aikr@w3.org>; Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2019 5:54 pm
> Subject: Re: Getting organized
>
> Dear Owen,
>
> I very much appreciate your contributions to this listserv, and I share with you the viewpoint that "the representation of knowledge should support the achievement of human objectives." In my case a.o. achieving the Sustainable Development Goals of the UN and sustainable development of humankind in general.
>
> The UN and UNESCO as the designated and principal science, technology and education body of the UN share our viewpoint as well and even add an ethical dimension to this.
>
> I will look into to the UN and UNESCO documents on AI and see how we can translate these into strategic planning to fully benefit from StratML.
>
> Each of us brings his own ideas, ideals, thoughts, knowledge and experience and obviously expectations into this Community Group, and the diversity and the richness of ideas is what makes this collective endeavor important.
>
> And this is what I sincerely hope Paola will be able to convey in Fukuoka, and also achieve with the  interest generated with the upcoming special journal edition on AI and KR.
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 4:20:41 PM ADT, Owen Ambur <owen.ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> As I understand Milton's point, it is the same one I've been trying to get across:  It is hard to know what to do if we don't know what we're trying to accomplish and have no way of determining whether we're making any progress or not.
>
> From my perspective, I don't believe any particular diagrams would be very useful.  I find most of them pretty frustrating.  However, the "checklists" he has suggested could be formatted as a performance plan.  If there is any interest in collaboratively authoring such a plan, I volunteer to compile the StratML rendition ... or anyone else could do so, using the XForm at http://legisworks.org/StratML/Part1Form.xml
>
> Failing that, I'm not sure maintaining a subscription to this listserv is worth my time.  I subscribed to it because the representation of knowledge should support the achievement of human objectives.  Otherwise, what's the point?  Unfortunately, however, I haven't seen much evidence that this listserv is making any meaningful contribution to the realization of any objectives about which I care.
>
> Owen Ambur
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> To: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>
> Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2019 12:50 pm
> Subject: Re: Getting organized
>
> Milton
>
> thanks a lot for this
>
> I under heavy load, and working on the following
> - completing and editorial and a journal article submission for the Si
> (need a couple more weeks to finish )
> This will provide some input/further motivation to support the
> direction of this work
> - working on mapping two standards ISO and BCI mentioned earlier on
> this list to a potential schema
>
> Your tasklist sounds good, but  a bit ambitious, I think even half of
> what you propose may be useful if we can get it done before september
> (I am packed with deadines til the end of July)
> We could also set up a date for an online brainstorm
> if useful or collaborate on a shared spreadsheet
>
> Currently in Hong Kong for two more days, anyone on this list in HK?
> Many greetings, and thanks for getting this started
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:35 AM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program
> <metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > We have all been exchanging ideas and exploring areas of possible interest to knowledge representation.
> >
> > In order for us all to make sense of what we are currently at, we need to take stock of where we are and what we have produced so far, what we have agreed upon and who is attending what conferences, workshops etc. from which we could benefit.
> >
> > Since Paola is planning to go to Fukuoka in Japan for the annual W3C meet, getting organized in a more structured fashion is required.
> >
> > Since I committed myself more or less to providing some diagram overviews of disciplines, areas of research and subjects, and in particular areas of application with a corresponding literature review, I would like to know who else can pitch in to get at least the ground covered so far documented, and possible checklists.
> >
> > Some suggestions for possible checklists: (1) all subjects in the Mathematics Subject Classification that have a direct bearing on AI and KR as related to AI, (2) standards for technical and ethical aspects of AI, autonomous systems and e.g. robotics, (3) standards for KR,(4) professional organizations, industry organizations, research institutes, websites, online and printed journals and periodicals, annual conferences, workshops etc. on AI and KR (5) public and private or academic initiatives to implement AI and KR in the public sector, industry or society at large.
> >
> > Anyone up to the task?
> >
> > Milton Ponson
> > GSM: +297 747 8280
> > PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> > Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> > Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development