Re: Fwd: Some comments on the description of this group

Paola,

For R&N, please see: 
https://www.amazon.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Approach-Stuart-Russell/dp/9332543518/

For AAAI's efforts in this area, please see: https://aitopics.org/misc/about

There is, obviously, room for contribution.

These days to impact web standards, a viable approach seems to be to 
join an internet company (or at least, start by securing their support :-)

Best,

Vinay.


On 10/31/2018 12:25 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
> Vinay
>
> Thanks a lot for your questions, see my comments below in italics
> but of course , everyone, please feel free to address Vinay's qs as 
> you see fit
> although I initiated this, it belongs to all members
>
>
>     ~~~~~
>     The overall goal/mission of this community group is to explore the
>     requirements, best practices and implementation options for the
>     conceptualization and specification of domain knowledge in AI.
>     ~~~~~
>     "Conceptualization and specification of domain knowledge" reminds
>     of the expert systems era and a family of techniques that have
>     little overlap with the current ML approaches. While in silicon
>     valley, ML and AI are largely used interchangeably, those with
>     some historical perspective, recognize the evolution of
>     techniques. For consider this video that explains the DARPA
>     perspective on AI to encompass three phases of AI.
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O01G3tSYpU
>
>
> /thanks /
>
>
>     It will be helpful for this group to refine its description of the
>     set of AI techniques that are of interest.
>
>
> /thanks, I ll watch and take input but everyone feel free!/
>
>
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>     We plan to place particular emphasis on the identification and the
>     representation of AI facets and various aspects (technology,
>     legislation, ethics etc) with the purpose to facilitate knowledge
>     exchange and reuse.
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>     The above statement, even though, appears agnostic to the specific
>     technique being used, but really pertains to the second phase (ie,
>     ML-oriented) techniques.
>
>
> /uhm, why do you think so? If anything  it refers to multifaceting of  
> knowledge domain modelling tech//niques (thats where I get the idea 
> from) but it could be that multifaceting also used in ML? /
> /
> /
>
>       These days we do not hear too many people talking about the
>     legislation and ethics around the first-phase (ie, rule-based)
>     techniques.
>
> /part of the problem we are trying to address, perhaps? /
>
>     ~~~~~~~~
>     Therefore the proposed outcomes could be instrumental to research
>     and advancement of science and inquiry, as well as to increase the
>     level of public awareness in general to enable learning and
>     participation.
>     ~~~~~~~~~
>     There are other efforts to educate public about AI. E.g., there is
>     an AI for K-12 initiative, and AAAI engages in considerable
>     outreach to general community. It is not clear to me why a W3C
>     group needs to be devoted to this problem.
>
> /the way I see it: /
> /'education' is not just for schools, but for everyone who continues 
> to learn-and we must/
>
>   * /AI (in various forms) are powering our information systems AND
>     the web (the way the web works, and the doesnt work etc)/
>   * /W3C is among other things a standardization body for the web/
>   * /plus:  W3C community groups and workgroups are highly
>     collaborative, open to read and write, and fairly inclusive by design/
>   * /If /we manage to construct somethingk, this could become a WG and
>     possibly a starndard
>
>
> These  reasons for me/ make a unique and compelling argument in 
> support of an open collaborative forum which could serve //XAI among 
> other things/
> /do we need a web stardard for XAI?  I think so, maybe/
> /
> /
>
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
>     Proposed outcomes:*
>
>       * A comprehensive list of open access resources
>         <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/knowledge-sources-for-ai-kr/>
>         in both AI and KR (useful to teaching and research)
>       * A set of metadata
>         <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/metadata/>
>         derived from these resources
>       * A concept map
>         <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/concept-maps/> of the domain
>       * A natural language vocabulary to represent various aspects of AI
>       * One or more encoding/implementations/ machine language version
>         of the vocabulary, such as ChatBot Natural Language
>         Understanding & Natural Language Generation
>       * Methods for KR management, especially Natural Language
>         Learning / Semantic Memory
>
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>     These sound like useful set of outcomes, but it is not clear who
>     are they meant for, and who is it going to use them?
>     There may already exist such resources in some sub-areas, e.g.,
>     NLP tools, ontology editors, etc.
>
> /
> /
> /The problem that I think we face is that there is 'no shared 
> conceptualization' for AI (using an old metaphore) and no common 
> language (the same argument that we would make if we wanted to come up 
> with, say an ontology for AI.  I have not seen any resources or public 
> effort devoted to this, but if you do please point is, because a 
> collaboration would definitely be on, I think/
>
>     There is also some degree of coverage of these topics in the
>     standard textbooks such as R&N.
>
> /url plz?  the degree of coverage I have seen so far is not fit for 
> purpose (see above) but again, please point us/
>
>     Are you proposing to write a book? build a catalogue?
>
> either/both/neither
> /I am not proposing anything at the moment, but the ideas above sound 
> good if useful/
> /we could also do a movie :-) (or rather an educational video)/
> /what I personally aim for is to clarify what is AI (for the purpose 
> of accountability and reliability) since there is a lot of hype and 
> confusion being propagated at the moment/
>
>     Should you be working with AAAI on these?
>
> /I am a member o AAAI (or I was at some point) is there a discussion 
> group on AI?/
> /A web page? please feel free to enter related efforts in the google 
> form linked on the group home page, or post here /
>
>     How would you maintain them as things change?
>
> /If there are people devoted to the maintenance, future generations 
> can maintain/
> /if nobody is around to follow up, the outcomes would become frozen in 
> time, or fossilized/
> /as a testimony of our restlessness around the issues at hand/
>
> Tell us more about you
>
>     Best Wishes,
>     Vinay.
>
>