Minutes from Joint Silver - ACT meeting of 21 May 2021

== Summary ==

  * We examined the format of the draft ACT Rules on Document has
    Heading for non-repeated content
    <https://act-rules.github.io/rules/047fe0> and Heading is
    descriptive <https://act-rules.github.io/rules/b49b2e> and the WCAG3
    Method for Relevant Headings
    <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG3/2020/methods/relevant-headings/>
  * We discussed Quantitative and Qualitative tests. We had consensus on
    the usefulness of quantitative tests and  did not agree that
    qualitative tests were needed.  Some members thought that
    qualitative tests could be carefully defined so that guidance could
    be given to testers how well an author had done in creating
    descriptive headings or appropriate alt text. Others thought that
    the qualitative guidance should be in a Authors Guide, but some
    thought we could lose the ability to say that bad headings or text
    alternatives fail.  We generally agreed that Outcomes should be less
    ambiguous than Success Criteria and moved on in the agenda.
  * We agreed that Methods should include Applicability Statements for
    precision in the way they are used in the ACT rules. We agreed that
    Methods can include one or more applicability statements and
    multiple tests. We need to build some prototypes to test the details
    of the discussion.
  * We agreed that both passing and failing rules could potentially be
    used depending on what is being tested.  One proposal was to take
    some of the data from ACT rules to use in WCAG3 Methods because of
    extensive overlap.
  * We discussed whether to use Test Procedures like WCAG2 Techniques or
    to use Expectations like ACT uses. Expectations are precise
    statements of outcome of a test allowing an organization to use any
    way to test that outcome.  We agreed that we should have both at
    different levels. Perhaps the Expectations at the Methods level and
    the Test Procedures at the HowTo level for beginners. Again we
    agreed to build some prototypes and evaluate them. Some expressed
    concern that we were moving too much toward educational.
  * Next Steps: The Silver Subgroup on Conformance Testing and
    volunteers (TBD) from ACT would build a Method prototype of the
    ideas discussed today.


== Minutes ==

https://www.w3.org/2021/05/21-wcag-act-minutes.html

== Questions ==

We are missing that the heading needs to be exposed in the accessibility 
tree. Also I miss hierarchy of heading levels in our test procedure. 
[this has been referred to Structured Content subgroup].