- From: Jon Pyke <gfd67@dial.pipex.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:10:45 +0100
- To: "Surendra Reddy" <skreddy@us.oracle.com>, "Fernstrom, Christer" <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>, <swap-wg@netscape.com>, <ietf-swap@w3.org>, "Nick Kingsbury (E-mail)" <nkingsbury@cix.co.uk>
- Cc: <moore@cs.utk.edu>, <paf@swip.net>
I understand, and accept, the IETF position, but I do not believe the WfMC is closed - there is a unique opportunity to bring together internet expertise and workflow expertise and deliver something of real value - BUT - my perception is that there is a degree of NIH in both camps. From a pragmatic position, I do not want to be in a position of having to develop and support two interoperability standards - but this aspect of the standards is, IMHO, the only bit worth doing so I want to see it done right and for the good of end users. What are the proposals (and I aim this question at AIIM/WfMC) for bringing these two areas of work together. -----Original Message----- From: Surendra Reddy <skreddy@us.oracle.com> To: Jon Pyke <gfd67@dial.pipex.com>; Fernstrom, Christer <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>; swap-wg@netscape.com <swap-wg@netscape.com>; ietf-swap@w3.org <ietf-swap@w3.org> Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu <moore@cs.utk.edu>; paf@swip.net <paf@swip.net> Date: 06 October 1998 16:23 Subject: RE: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration >Jon, > >>I thought SWAP was aimed at being a workflow standard > >Yes, it is. >Goal of the SWAP WG is to provide interoperability protocol for >heterogeneous workflow engines. There is >no change in what this working group was trying to solve. The only >change I did to the charter is taking >out IN-SCOPE and NOT-IN-SCOPE goals from the charter and put them in a >separate document to enable >us to define more detailed goals. > >>- if that's so then I think there is value in working with or as part of >WfMC > >IETF working group cannot be part of closed WfMC. I consider WfMC expertise >is very >valuable for IETF SWAP WG and all WfMC TC members are most welcome to >participate in SWAP WG. > >In summary, SWAP is a workflow standard and WfMC expertise is very valuable >and SWAP WG >will examine and leverage relevant work done by other groups including WfMC. >Charter doesnot exclude >any other working groups involvement in SWAP. Similarly, charter doesnot >restrict SWAP WG to collaborate >with other working groups. Hope this clarifies your concerns. > >-Surendra > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Pyke [mailto:gfd67@dial.pipex.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:45 PM >> To: Surendra Reddy; Fernstrom, Christer; swap-wg@netscape.com; >> ietf-swap@w3.org >> Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu; paf@swip.net >> Subject: Re: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration >> >> >> Perhaps I'm losing the plot along the way - I thought SWAP was aimed at >> being a workflow standard - if that's so then I think there is value in >> working with or as part of WfMC - SWAP would make an excellent >> extension to >> IF4, which I thought was the original intention. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Surendra Reddy <skreddy@us.oracle.com> >> To: Jon Pyke <gfd67@dial.pipex.com>; Fernstrom, Christer >> <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com>; swap-wg@netscape.com >> <swap-wg@netscape.com>; ietf-swap@w3.org <ietf-swap@w3.org> >> Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu <moore@cs.utk.edu>; paf@swip.net <paf@swip.net> >> Date: 05 October 1998 18:23 >> Subject: RE: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration >> >> >> >SWAP working would consider and evaluate other relevant work done >> >in other working working groups including WfMC. Working Group >> >consensus will drive which work can be used and not the charter. >> > >> >Any suggestions/opinons in the group. >> > >> >Surendra >> > >> >|-----Original Message----- >> >|From: Jon Pyke [mailto:gfd67@dial.pipex.com] >> >|Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 11:27 AM >> >|To: Fernstrom, Christer; 'Surendra Reddy'; swap-wg@netscape.com; >> >|ietf-swap@w3.org >> >|Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu; paf@swip.net >> >|Subject: Re: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration >> >| >> >| >> >|To pick up on Christer's point - what exactly is the >> relationship between >> >|the SWAP WG and the Coalition - I could be on the wrong mailing >> lists but >> I >> >|have seen nothing for some time which even remotely suggests >> >|X-fertilization >> >|of strategy, scope and ideas. >> >| >> >|Jon Pyke >> >|CTO >> >|Staffware >> >|-----Original Message----- >> >|From: Fernstrom, Christer <Christer.Fernstrom@xrce.xerox.com> >> >|To: 'Surendra Reddy' <skreddy@us.oracle.com>; swap-wg@netscape.com >> >|<swap-wg@netscape.com>; ietf-swap@w3.org <ietf-swap@w3.org> >> >|Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu <moore@cs.utk.edu>; paf@swip.net <paf@swip.net> >> >|Date: 05 October 1998 07:40 >> >|Subject: RE: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration >> >| >> >| >> >|>Oughtn't the harmonization with the Workflow Management >> Coalition be part >> >|of the goals? >> >|> christer fernstrom, Xerox Research, France >> >|> >> >|>-----Original Message----- >> >|>From: Surendra Reddy [mailto:skreddy@us.oracle.com] >> >|>Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:06 PM >> >|>To: swap-wg@netscape.com; ietf-swap@w3.org >> >|>Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu; paf@swip.net >> >|>Subject: SWAP WG Charter -- Second iteration >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> >> >|>Here is the second iteration of SWAP Wg charter. I have removed >> >|>IN-SCOPE and NOT IN-SCOPE goals from the charter. Goals document, >> >|>which will be published as an informational RFC as first document >> >|>, describes goals of this working group. I also made some changes >> >|>to the milestones to make it more realistic. It is time for us >> >|>to move forward to work the goals document. >> >|> >> >|>Apprciate your comments/suggestions. >> >|> >> >|>Surendra >> >|> >> >|>SWAP -- Simple Workflow Access Protocol Working Group >> >|> >> >|>Chair(s) >> >|> >> >|> * Surendra Reddy (skreddy@us.oracle.com) >> >|> >> >|>Applications Area Director(s): >> >|> >> >|> * Keith Moore <moore+swap@cs.utk.edu> >> >|> * Patrik Faltstrom <paf@swip.net> >> >|> >> >|>Area Advisor >> >|> >> >|> * TBD >> >|> >> >|>Mailing List Information >> >|> >> >|> * General Discussion: ietf-swap@w3.org >> >|> * To Subscribe: send msg to ietf-swap-request@3.org with "subscribe" >> >|> in subject >> >|> * Archive:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-swap/ >> >|> * Documents: http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/swap/ >> >|> >> >|>Description of Working Group >> >|> >> >|>There is no standard way to communicate and interoperate across >> >|>heterogeneous workflow engines in order to coordinate and execute work >> >|>process instances across those workflow engines. Most of the solutions >> >|>exist today are vendor specific. This means that Workflow vendors need >> >|>to support multiple protocols to enable interoperability >> between worflow >> >|>systems. >> >|> >> >|>The goal of this working group is to develop the goals and >> >|requirements for >> >|>Workflow systems interoperability. >> >|> >> >|>The further goal is to define an application level Workflow >> >|Interoperability >> >|>protocol. Workflow interoperability goals document defines the >> >|scope of the >> >|>protocol. >> >|> >> >|> >> >|>Deliverables >> >|> >> >|>The final output of this working group is expected to be four >> documents: >> >|> >> >|>1. A workflow interoperability goals document, which describes >> the scope >> >|> and limitations of the protocol. >> >|> >> >|>2. A requirements document, which describes the high-level functional >> >|> requirements for Simple Workflow Access Protocol, including >> rationale. >> >|> >> >|>3. A scenarios document, a description of how this protocol can be used >> >|> effectively. >> >|> >> >|>4. A protocol specification, which describes methods, request >> bodies, and >> >|> response bodies, to implement the Simple Workflow Access Protocol >> >|> requirements. >> >|> >> >|>Goals and Milestones >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> Oct 98 Publish Simple Workflow Access Protocol goals document >> >|as Internet >> >|> Draft. >> >|> >> >|> Nov 98 Submit revised versions of Requirements, Scenarios and goals >> >|documents >> >|> as Internet-Drafts. >> >|> >> >|> Feb 99 Submit goals document as an informational RFC >> >|> Submit revised protocol specification document as >> Internet Draft >> >|> >> >|> Jun 99 Issue WG last call for requirements, scenarios and protocol >> >|specification >> >|> >> >|> Jul 99 Submit requirements and scenarios documents as informational >> RFCs >> >|> >> >|> Sep 99 Submit SWAP specification as a proposed standard >> >|> >> >|>Current Internet-Drafts >> >|> >> >|> Requirements for Simple Workflow Access Protocol(http:// >> >|> www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sreddy-swap-requirements-01.txt) >> >|> >> >|> SWAP Specification(strawman) ( http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >|> draft-swenson-swap-prot-00.txt). >> >|> >> >|>No Request For Comments >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> >> >|> >> >|>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >|--------- >> >|-- >> >|>Surendra K Reddy, Data Server Division, Oracle Corporation >> >|>phone: +1(650) 506 5441 . mobile: +1(650) 867 4757 . fax: +1(650) 506 >> 7228 >> >|>email: skreddy@us.oracle.com . URL: >> >|http://www-skreddy.us.oracle.com(Internal) >> >|>URL: http://www.skreddy.com(external) >> >|> >> >|>Disclaimer : The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and >> >|> do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation. >> >|> >> >| >> >| >> > >> >> >
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