- From: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:25:41 -0700
- To: Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com>
- Cc: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>, Ricky Perez <ricardo.perezper@gmail.com>, ietf-http-wg@w3.org, Guoye Zhang <guoye_zhang@apple.com>
- Message-ID: <CAPDSy+5=tr6CWy=3QSbE0GSgB84c3AQxLZDn1h=7NhpJffMEhA@mail.gmail.com>
Doesn't that mean that gateways are stuck dealing with 18.0-18.3 clients forever? iOS devices have a good update rate but it's not 100%. David On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 10:51 AM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote: > Actually — an update on this for our client behavior! While the original > implementation didn’t enforce lowercase, the iOS and macOS client *does *enforce > lowercasing for both sending and receiving as of the iOS 18.4 timeframe. So > I think there isn’t any issue (from our perspective) of saying everyone > should be lowercase from here on out. > > Thanks Guoye for reminding me of this update! > > Tommy > > On Aug 15, 2025, at 4:49 PM, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks Tommy. > > Given that we have a widely deployed implementation that's not forcing a > downcase, I think we might be stuck in the "tolerate non-compliance" > equilibrium [1]. I'd suggest we write an errata saying that BHTTP encoders > MUST downcase and BHTTP decoders MUST downcase to tolerate implementations > from before the errata. > > David > > [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9413#section-4.2 > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 4:42 PM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote: > >> The Binary HTTP implementation on iOS/macOS clients don’t force downcase >> field names currently, although all of the applications that run with it >> use lower-case field names, as far as I’m aware. >> >> I’d be OK with downcasing going forward if that was the consensus of the >> group. >> >> Tommy >> >> On Aug 12, 2025, at 4:54 PM, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I guess it comes down to what deployed implementations are doing in >> production. Google's implementation currently downcases on both encode and >> decode. If everyone does it on encode, we'd be happy to shift to rejecting >> on decode to be more in line with RFC 9413. >> >> David >> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 3:22 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025, at 06:25, Ricky Perez wrote: >>> > Thank you for the context Martin! So just to clarify, should >>> downcasing >>> > happen at the encoding path, at the decoding path, or at both paths? >>> >>> Encoding. The decoder would validate that the name was lowercase and >>> reject. >>> >>> > I'm happy to assist with filing the erratum, though let me know if you >>> > prefer I hold that off in favor of following some other process. >>> >>> I'm going to wait for others to weigh in. I don't entirely trust my >>> instincts on this one. >>> >>> >> >
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