- From: Soni L. <fakedme+http@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 07:59:39 -0300
- To: Rafal Pietrak <rafal@ztk-rp.eu>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
On 2021-05-17 4:00 a.m., Rafal Pietrak wrote: > Hello, > > W dniu 17.05.2021 o 06:00, Soni L. pisze: > > Are there any plans to support WWW-Authenticate with webauthn? (ideally > > only once per session, so something like a timeout=0 flag and converting > > the authentication into a session cookie would probably be needed.) > > > > Pls forgive MHO - I'm not an active participant in IETF works/groups. > I'm just an occasional web service developer. Keeping that in mind (IMHO): > > 1. I perceive WWW-Authenticate useful only in rare cases when developer > does not particularly care about authentication, AND does not intend to > put any effort into it (and into future account maintenance) ... BUT > needs to protect the content somehow. BASIC authentication (and > variants) is then the primary choice. > > 2. (IMHO) in grand majority of other cases, web designer prefers to > provide it's own "login page", one that have required features (like > registration, or password reset) and one that is aesteticly coordinated > with remaining service content. Such page comes from web-server, not > like WWW-Authenticata, being provided by local web-browser. > > 3. www-Authenticate could possibly be useful in cases of > proxy-authenticate. In those cases one may assume, that one server (the > proxy server) is in administrative domain separate from the other server > (the web-application server) administrative domain. In such cases, > points from (2) above does not apply, so web-browser provided > authentication panel may be useful. > > I'm no authority here, but I personally would avoid putting much effort > into web-browser support for (browser locally generated) authentication > "panels", which would translate authentication values into > authentication HTTP headers being supplied transparently by the browser > into all HTTP requests, the browser makes. > > Still, as you mentioned, www-authenticate would eventually need to be > conveyed into cookies or something. > > IMHO, this should rather turn design efforts into cookie definition > itself, aiming towards giving web designer the best possible tool for > every use scenario (that web designer may need for it's implementation). > > That's why I'd like to ask you all to consider discussion (towards > acceptance/ improvement/ ... or an EXPLICIT decline, if proved to be > "unreperrable") of my recently updated proposal regarding additional > attribute for cookies: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pietrak-cookie-scope/ > > With best regards, > > R This perception of WWW-Authenticate is frankly dangerous. Webforms are vulnerable to Logger.debug(password) whereas many WWW-Authenticate methods aren't (basic notwithstanding). There are even PAKE-based methods like RFC 8120 which provide additional features beyond simple authentication, but I digress. But, please stop bringing up your proposal in replies to my posts.
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